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I am unable to find an obituary, death record, or probate information for Zillah Constance Gilbert, born in 1902 in Swansea. Last known to be at 18 Gloucester Road, Plymouth (1939 Register). She died before 1942 when her husband Cecil Benjamin Gilbert remarried. Can you help please?
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Death--image available on Scotlandspeople.
SS
GILBERT
ZILLAH CONSTANCE
38
F
1940
424 / 622
Dunfermline
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Death--image available on Scotlandspeople.
SS
GILBERT
ZILLAH CONSTANCE
38
F
1940
424 / 622
Dunfermline
:) SS was just looking at SP and was typing up following :)
Her date of birth 23 January 1902 …..not found anything for a Zillah C GILBERT on FreeBMD, her maiden name Treadwell
This might be a very long shot there’s this death entry on Scotland People
TREADWELL ZILLAH C 38 F 1940 424 / 622 Dunfermline
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TREADWELL, ZILLAH CONSTANCE mmn HINDES
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 1056
Her baptism image available on Anc* and confirms dob*
SS
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F M P has these two entries sorry don't have a subscription to look at the full details
Treadwell
Zillah C
1902
1940
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
Don't know if this entry is the same person as above
Helen Louisa D
W Zillah Constance
1902
1940
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
Record set Scotland, Modern And Civil Deaths & Burials 1855-2024
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Death--image available on Scotlandspeople.
SS
GILBERT
ZILLAH CONSTANCE
38
F
1940
424 / 622
Dunfermline
:) SS was just looking at SP and was typing up following :)
Her date of birth 23 January 1902 …..not found anything for a Zillah C GILBERT on FreeBMD, her maiden name Treadwell
This might be a very long shot there’s this death on Scotland People
TREADWELL ZILLAH C 38 F 1940 424 / 622 Dunfermline
Not a longshot at all, its exactly the same reference (1940 424 / 622 Dunfermline).
As its in Scotland its been indexed with both her maiden name (Treadwell)and her married name (Gilbert)
Boo
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Thank very much for all your help. Zillah's maiden name was Treadwell, born 23 Jan 1902. I hadn't expected to find her in Scotland, or that her maiden name would also be recorded. I can't find a record on Ancestry though.
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Thank very much for all your help. Zillah's maiden name was Treadwell, born 23 Jan 1902. I hadn't expected to find her in Scotland, or that her maiden name would also be recorded. I can't find a record on Ancestry though.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
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The info on a Scottish death cert includes (where the informant knew it)
both of the deceased's parents names and occupations. plus the mother's maiden name,
the deceased's spouse name and occupation
as well as the usual date place and cause of death, age at death. and informant
Scotlands people is the only avenue for register images
Boo
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Thank you for the information.
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I was wondering, you seem surprised she was in Scotland. I had a look round the records and her husband was in the RN in WW2. The most recent 'ship' listed on his record was 'Cochrane' and I think its possible that it was the shore establishment at Rosyth (which would fit with her dying in Dunfermline)so maybe she was there so they would at least see each other if he had time off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Cochrane
NB this is just a 'guess' by me but maybe worth getting that death register entry for her, that may shed more light on it.
Boo
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You are correct that 'Cochrane' was at Rosyth. It was Depot Ship, Coast of Scotland Command. See Navy List for Dec 1939, available from the National Library of Scotland.
https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/92731130
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Thank you very much for this information. It seems very likely that Zillah was visiting Cecil in Rosyth. I've looked back at Cecil's service records. He enlisted with the RN in 1917 and served until 31 Aug 1940, (receiving the Long Service Award and Good Conduct Medal in 1935 when he was Stoker Petty Officer on HMS Cormorant).
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I have looked again at that service record there are 2 pages - have you seen them both?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60522/images/47392_adm_363_44_11_0001?
that's just the first page , click through to see the next one
On the first page , right hand side listing the assessments of his character and efficiency, there are dates of Dec 1940 and Dec 1941 - which must mean he was still serving?
on the second page I am unsure as I'm not the best at the Navy records but it seems to be saying he was discharged in 1945 - invalided ?
Boo
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Thanks Boo. I hadn't noticed that there was a second page. Navy records are often difficult to read but I'm sure you're right. (Cecil married his brother's widow in 1942 and his family moved to her family farm near Bristol. Died 1955). Sadly his 90 year old daughter has dementia, just wish I'd asked her more about her dad years ago. Thanks for your help.