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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Stacey.tree31 on Wednesday 08 October 25 12:31 BST (UK)
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Hoping for a little help, i have unexpectedly come across someone who lived in EUROJOKI, Finland.
Michel Mattss Sjoblad born 1811 (location unknown) he died in 1868, Eurojoki. His wife was named Clara (no other details on her) and they had a son:
Charles Michael Sealeaf (also spelled Sealiff) born 1834 (Finland, but exact location unknown) his wife was Johanna Breen who was born 1845 in Wexford, Ireland and they married in 1862 Liverpool, England.
Could someone tell me where i could look and find the marriage of Michel and Clara and the birth location of their son Charles, as I'm unfamiliar with Finnish records.
Thank you
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There is no Johanna Breen marriage to that name in Liverpool in 1862. Where have you got the info from
Do you have any census details? Who were their children?
Why does Charles have a different surname to Michael?
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sorry, the surname is spelt different on some records for Johanna, Brain.
Marriage is February 1862, St Patrick, Liverpool.
Im unsure on the change of surname, im assuming they went with a more english sounding name when they emigrated to the UK?
Charles and Johanna's son is:
Charles Michael Sealeaf born 1868, Bootle, Liverpool and he married Mary Ann Cranny
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You can search Finnish parish records here:
https://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/29ql2m?en
Eurajoki is in region No. 4, Satakunta. Search for Sjöblad - ö and o are treated as different letters.
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and they had a son:
Charles Michael Sealeaf (also spelled Sealiff) born 1834 (Finland, but exact location unknown) his wife was Johanna Breen
Marriage entry shows him as Michael - not Charles?
Brain Johanna W. Derby 8b 617
Sealiff Michael West Derby 8b 617
Another spelling of Johanna's surname
SEALEAF, CHARLES MICHAEL mmn BREEN
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 149
Where do this family fit into your family history & where are they in 1871?
Have you looked at the 1891 entry - birthplace Sweden??
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Both the 1891 & 1901 UK census record Charles birthplace as SWEDEN.
SS
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and they had a son:
Charles Michael Sealeaf (also spelled Sealiff) born 1834 (Finland, but exact location unknown) his wife was Johanna Breen
Marriage entry shows him as Michael - not Charles?
Brain Johanna W. Derby 8b 617
Sealiff Michael West Derby 8b 617
Another spelling of Johanna's surname
SEALEAF, CHARLES MICHAEL mmn BREEN
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 149
Where do this family fit into your family history & where are they in 1871?
Suspect they are in Ireland for 1871 census as son John Joseph born there in 1872.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1872/03232/2184727.pdf
SS
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I didn't find a christening for Charles/Karl, but here is a possible lead.
Sjöman (sailor) Michel Sjöblad and his wife Clara had a daughter Clara Sofia in 1831 in Kristinestad (region 15, Ostrobothnia, just north of Satakunta)
Kristinestads stadsförs - Kristiinankaupungin ksrk - christened
Years 1825 - 1840
Father's last name: SJÖBLAD => Sjöblad
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*16.9.1831 17.9.1831 Sjöm:n Michel Sjöblad Clara 24 Clara Sofia
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Thank you everyone, I will take a look at all the information you have provided.
Thanks again
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Why does Charles have a different surname to Michael?
In Swedish.....
Sjö = Sea - blad = leaf
Ian
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Both the 1891 & 1901 UK census record Charles birthplace as SWEDEN.
SS
The people in Finland in these areas counted themselves as Swedes. The language was Swedish too not Finnish.
Ian
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Thank you so much for that information
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Here is a site with original Finnish records. I don't think these are indexed, so you have to know pretty closely where to look. I did find the burial/death of Michel Sjöblad.
In Church records/Eurajoki
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm
Eurajoki burials or deaths (kuolleet)
No. 228, August 29. Kaukomäki (=Far Hill, about 4 miles from Eurajoki)
Michel Sjöblad married (gift)
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/eurajoki/kuolleet_1853-1885_mko148-151/61.htm
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This could be Charles Michael and family. If this is the correct family his name is Michel, not Carl Michel.
1829 - Marriage - Michel and Clara - Närpes - nr 29:
https://sv.digihakemisto.net/item/1284577547/5870487278/24
1833 - Birth - Michel - Närpes -bottom right:
https://sv.digihakemisto.net/item/1284459314/5870523778/179
1854 - House Examination - Siipyy:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/rippikirja_1846-1855_uk186-187/35.htm
1862 - House Examination - Siipyy:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/rippikirja_1856-1862_uk187/39.htm
Ian
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Eurajoki burials or deaths (kuolleet)
No. 228, August 29. Kaukomäki (=Far Hill, about 4 miles from Eurajoki)
Michel Sjöblad married (gift)
Hmmm.
This is not the same Michel Sjöblad I found. His wife is Johanna.
1868 - Household Examination - middle of page:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/eurajoki/rippikirja_1867-1876_mko64-83/150.htm
Ian
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I don't think that the Michel and Johanna from Eurajoki are the correct family. This is their record from the Examination Household book from 1846. They don't have children yet. Also, the minister recorded that they were married in 1845.
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/eurajoki/rippikirja_1846-1852_mko15-30/134.htm - top
Their 1st child came in 1846:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/eurajoki/rippikirja_1846-1852_mko15-30/156.htm - bottom.
Ian
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In the Hiski index, Mickel Mattsson Sjöblad, from Eurajoki, married Johanna Johansdotter in Rauma in 1845 and they had Johanna in 1846 and Johan in 1849, in Eurajoki.
Rauma - Raumo - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm
2.11.1845 Euråmn: Kaukomäki Junnila Drg. Mickel Mattss. Sjöblad Trp dtt:r Johanna Johansdr. Sorka Tiilivuori Heinilä
Eurajoki - Euraåminne - christened
• Father's last name: SJÖBLAD => Sjöblad
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
1.11.1846 2.11.1846 Kaukom. Junnila Drg Michel Sjöblad Johanna Johans:dr 23 Johanna
24.6.1849 25.6.1849 Kaukom Suonperä Trp Michel Matts:s Sjöblad Johanna Johs:dr 25 Johan Erland
4.6.1896 Irjanne s.176 Juho Erland Sjöblad v:o Amanda Lovisa Mårtenson 42 Elsa Maria
So it looks like we have two different people, or did Michel Sjöblad move around a lot and marry twice?
I think we need more input. From Närpes to Rauma is about 100 miles. Not impossible for an able-bodied seaman, of course...
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So it looks like we have two different people, or did Michel Sjöblad move around a lot and marry twice?
These are 2 different families. The Michels have 2 different birth dates.
Ian
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In Eurajoki, Michel Sjöblad was a "trp" or torppari. This was a small-scale farmer or crofter.
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One of the records posted by Ian showed Michel Sjöblad born in Närpes, birthdate 20 September 1802. In the Hiski records for the children of Michel and Clara in Närpes, Michel or Mickel is sometimes also called Eriksson. Michel or Mickel, born 20 Sept 1802, christened 22 Sept 1802 in Pjelax (in the township of Närpes, about 5 miles south of the town of Närpes), was the son of Eric Hansson and Greta Mattssdotter.
Närpes - Närpiö - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
11.8.1830 13.8.1830 Pjelax sjöm. Michel Sjöbladh Clara Johan Henrik
22.1.1836 24.1.1836 Pjelax Sjöman. Mickel Sjöblad Clara Gabrielsdr 28 år Cajsa Greta
18.8.1839 20.8.1839 Pjelax Inh. Mickel Erikss: Sjöblad Clara Mattsdr 32 år Emma Olivia
7.11.1841 11.11.1841 Pjelax Sjöm. Mickel Sjöblad Clara Gabrsdr 34 år Johan Henrik
18.10.1844 20.10.1844 Pjelax Inh. Michel Eriks: Sjöblad Clara Gabrsdr 37 Erik Anders
28.8.1847 29.8.1847 Pjelax Inh. Michel Sjöblad Clara Gabr.dr 40 Lisa Johanna
6.11.1850 10.11.1850 Pjelax Inh. Mich. Sjöblad Clara Gabrlsdr 43 Anna Stina
Närpes - Närpiö - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
20.9.1802 22.9.1802 Pjelax Eric Hanss: Hannus Greta Mattssdr 1761 Mickel
https://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en