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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: louisa maud on Monday 06 October 25 16:52 BST (UK)
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I have been searching high and low for the following, have got marriage and birth regs for both of them and all census Inc 1939 register.
Neil's Gregerson born 1910
His wife
Beatrice L Gregerson 1909
Beatrice was actually registered as Matilda Beatrice L Swan, married as Swann
I know Neils was in the Dover Road area about 1972, I think he ran a shop. I cannot find a death for either of them, I assume they would be in the Dover Folkstone area, any help much appreciated
Thank you in anticipation
Louisa Maud
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There are Beatrice L Gregerson and Niels Gregerson on the 1951 Electoral Register for Uxbridge North. They are at 40 Woodcroft Crescent. Also registered at the same address are James M and Matilda F Swan. I believe that the Swans are Beatrice Gregerson's parents?
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Yes that is her parents.
That is interesting as by 1972 Neil's is in Dover Road, found in a newspaper cutting
Thank you, still can't understand why there appears to be no deaths so far
LM
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Baptism record for Niels Gregerson shows birthdate 25.12.1910 but I can't see a likely death for either of them
They don't appear to have had any children as I thought emigration may have been a possibility if any child emigrated
Marriage was 1931 Kent & GRO index shows him as Neils & her surname as Swan - not Swann
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That is interesting as by 1972 Neil's is in Dover Road, found in a newspaper cutting
Was there an exact address in the newspaper cutting?
Probate: Matilda Frances Swan of 194a Dover Road, Folkestone d 16 August 1961. WIfe of James Mason Swan, retired fisherman.
194a Dover Road is at the end (corner of Morrison Road) of a terrace of small shops with rooms above; on street view looks to have been converted to a house now.
Added: I think I found it, a 1972 article about a new road scheme names him as a greengrocer of Dover Road, and also says that he is chairman of Folkestone Liberals.
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Could this be his death. You have his DOB it Tallys.
First name(s) Niels
Last name Gregerson
Birth year 1910
Birth date 25/12/1910
Age at death 87
Death registration year 1997
Registration number 1997/41441
Country New Zealand
Source, Find my Past.
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NZ BMD
1997/41441 Gregerson Niels 25 December 1910
1992/47838 Gregerson Matilda Frances Laurine 1 September 1909
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NEW ZEALAND,!, well I never expected that but it sounds right from the info, the dates of birth spot on. I wonder when they emigrated?, obviously after 1972 when he was in the local paper.
Would there be a written obituary in NZ., , i have FindMyPast but not any other subs.
Wow!, huge thank you folks
Louisa Maud
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Their wills are available on the NZ Archives site :
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en/web/arena/search#/?q=gregerson
Both wills refer to " my son - Gregerson ".
The earliest entry for Neils and Beatrice on the Electoral Rolls that I can see is 1975 at 10 Royal Street Timaru. -The son Gregerson is on the Rolls from 1966.
According to a family tree on Ancestry the son was born in 1942 and died in 2023 but there is no source to confirm. I've removed the forename in case he is alive.
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I found Neils and Matilda travelling to NZ in 1972 :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u1s/
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Are you saying Neil's and Matilda Beatrice had a son?
LM
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Their wills are available on the NZ Archives site :
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en/web/arena/search#/?q=gregerson
Both wills refer to " my son - Gregerson ".
The earliest entry for Neils and Beatrice on the Electoral Rolls that I can see is 1975 at 10 Royal Street Timaru. -The son Gregerson is on the Rolls from 1966.
According to a family tree on Ancestry the son was born in 1942 and died in 2023 but there is no source to confirm. I've removed the forename in case he is alive.
Year 1965, born England with his wife on New Zealand Passenger List
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDK-MXVZ?lang=en
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The son appears on electoral rolls in NZ as a "Potter" and his wife as an "artist"
Last electoral roll I can find is 2010, and both are retired, living in Seadown (near Timaru).
Obituary for the son, in Timaru Herald on Oct. 16, 2023.
https://deaths.timaruherald.co.nz/nz/obituaries/timaru-herald-nz/name/michael-gregerson-obituary?id=53348482
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marriage Q2 1962 Folkestone
Michael S Gregerson
Elizabeth A Swash
I can’t find a birth record.
There is a tree on A*y with a photo of Michael Swan Gregerson, NZ. The tree suggests that his widow is still living. It has a birthdate for him of 8th August 1942, but no linked record.
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Is it possible he is an adopted son?
I am elderly but my birth can be found on FreeBMD.
So if his does not show up then perhaps he was born under a different name.
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Press, Volume CIV, Issue 30679, 19 February 1965, Page 21
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19650219.2.217.1
SPONSOR PLEASE for Energetic Englishment, 22. Married, 1 child. Established Civil Servant, 4 years. Anything considered as eager to gain home in New Zealand. Experience includes Court Work, Public Relations, Balancing Accounts and Paying Salaries. Please write: M. S. GREGERSON, 194a Dover road, Folkestone, Kent. England.
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Birth of a possible daughter to the son
Births Dec 1962
GREGERSON ******* * mmn SWASH Folkestone 5b 921
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added--a son was born in NZ, mentioned in Michael's obituary, appears on Anct* NZ Electoral registers.
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Wow folks, I am amazed at what you have found, the Dover and Folkestone address is correct, I am going to do a bit more digging ànd see where it takes me.
I was unaware there was a son, perhaps adopted
Huge thanks for the info so far
LM
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Possibly Neils's Widowed mothers Obituary,24 February 1939.
Reference to Mrs Swan and Beatty makes me think it is.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=BL%2F0000330%2F19390224&page=5&article=017&stringtohighlight=michael+gregerson
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I have identified most of the obituary listings, there was also another Beatrice in the family,
I have been really enlightened with all of this info , I am sure the family would be on the Kent ER' s up to about 1972 when Neil's and Beatrice emigrated, young Michael possibly not,
Thank you for your help
LM
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Info only re Neil's mother Elizabeth.
1 Married as a widow aged 42 with surname Haslebacher .Neil's Gregersen 1914--image on Ancestry.
2 1st marriage to Gottfried Haslebacher/Haslebacker 1888.
3 Appears on 1891/1901 census with Husband and children.
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That is correct SS
Neil's mother was British, Elizabeth Caroline.
By 1911 Mr Haslebacher was shown in Norwich area as married but no trace after that, they were living apart 1911
Elizabeth married twice
LM
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Strange, born with surname Ellis, married as Ellis but fathers surname Granath?
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Gottfried Hasslebacker,a Swiss National was Fined 10/00 Shillings (or 14 Days Imprisonment) for failing to register himself under the Aliens Protection Order.
East Anglian Times 14th August 1914.
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What a find?, I was told he was made to go back to Switerland, possibly was about 1914 ish, maybe that was why his wife married again, assuming he was returned and she could show herself as a widow
Very interesting I must say
Thank you
LM
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Pity I can't find out his actual date to be taken back to Switzerland or was he sent back after he was fined, been interesting I must say.
Thank you for all the help I have had, much appreciated
LM