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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: Vasquez109 on Thursday 02 October 25 21:56 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone.
Looking to find a death/burial for Thomas Davies, a farmer at Pantyfeillionen, Llandysul. Hes at Pantyfeillionen in 1841 through to 1861. The 1861 census says hes a farmer of 59 acres. Born around 1796 in Llandysul and family members are:
Hannah (nee Jones) b. around 1799 in Llangeler, Carmarthenshire (WIFE)
Children are:
John 1826
Hannah 1827
Enoch 1829
Evan 1832
Thomas 1836
Mary 1839
Im not overly familiar geographically with this area, so fumbling around with places. Can anybody point me in the right direction please?
Thank.
David.
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If you look at the 1861 entry it shows he was living in the Newcastle in Emlyn RD but freebmd has a great many deaths for his name between 1861-1871
You will need to use GRO online to determine the ages of those listed
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Possibles in 1862 & 1870
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1871 census at Pantfeillionen with Hannah widowed
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55P-33P?lang=en
Death for Thomas should be registered at Newcastle in Emlyn
Couple of possibles & there are more
Thomas Davies 72 jun qtr 1868 Newcastle in Emlyn vol 11b pg 21
Thomas Davies 73 march qtr 1870 Newcastle in Emlyn vol 11b pg 18
Hannah died 9 May 1879
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3558633/3558637/25/?from=search
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Not doing very well, but have spotted that the farm is often referred to as Pantfeillionen
Have found a couple of death notices for Hannah, but they give no clue as to when her husband died or where she was buried. They seem to be in North Wales papers and suggest she'd moved from the farm.
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Here is Pant-feillionen (sic), approximately east of Cardigan and south of Newquay.
(OS Sheet Cardiganshire 40 NW surveyed 1887)
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=13.0&lat=52.05675&lon=-4.31853&layers=257&b=ESRIWorld&o=100&marker=52.069378,-4.338735
Llandysul is about 2.4 miles SSE of the farm, just above the "marker" box.
(Carmarthenshire 14 NE, 1886-7)
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The NLS has patchy coverage of this area at 1:2500 (25-inch) scale. Having failed to find Llandysul there, I moved to the 6-inch scale and eventually found the farm.
Now I find there is a 1:2500 2nd ed.sheet (revised 1904) including Pant-feillionen.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/135192796#zoom=3.6&lat=6030&lon=3716&layers=BT
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Death for Thomas should be registered at Newcastle in Emlyn
Thomas Davies 72 jun qtr 1868 Newcastle in Emlyn vol 11b pg 21
Possible entry in the probate calendar for 1868
4 July
The Will of Thomas Davies late of Pantfeillionen in the Parish of Llandyssil in the County of Cardigan Farmer deceased who died 4 May 1868 at Pantfeillionen aforesaid was proved at Carmarthen by the oath of Hannah Davies of Pantfeillionen aforesaid Widow the Relict the sole Executrix.
Effects under £200.
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In case there is a connection, a will of another Thomas Davies in 1823
Thomas Davies, Pantfeillionen, Llandysul, Cardigan, Farmer
https://viewer.library.wales/474007#?xywh=-1635%2C0%2C5985%2C3411
Abstract here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S87Q-J9
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Thanks everyone! Osprey, thank you for confirming the 1871 census for Hannah! And thank you Molly for showing the location on the NLS site.
Very helpful. Thank you both.
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In case there is a connection, a will of another Thomas Davies in 1823
Thomas Davies, Pantfeillionen, Llandysul, Cardigan, Farmer
https://viewer.library.wales/474007#?xywh=-1635%2C0%2C5985%2C3411
Abstract here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S87Q-J9
Thank you!! I was wondering after reading that will. Im thinking this is his father. I havent found any siblings for him at all, but apparently the farm was passed down through the generations!
Greatly appreciated. Thank you.
David.
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was just looking for a burial to go with the will
Llandyssul 11 April 1823 Thos. Davies 70 Pantfeillionen
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Osprey thats brilliant! Thank you so much. Been scratching my head with this for absolutely ages.
David.
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I think this one best shows Pant-feillionen in its landscape context - the 1:25000 map from 1937-51. The farm is sited near the 425 foot contour in a steep sided valley.
(The 1:2500 map shows a bench mark on the buildings at 430.4 feet - BM and a broad arrow.)
Georeferenced Maps viewer - Map images - National Library of Scotland (nls.uk) (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.0&lat=52.06905&lon=-4.33878&layers=10&b=ESRIWorld&o=100&marker=52.069378,-4.338735)
A thought occurred to me. Did these people speak Welsh? Were they obliged to make their wills in English?
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Thats a very good point. Maybe someone had to be present to translate? I dont recall seeing a will in Welsh. I could be wrong though!
Loving that map! Fantastic when all the maps are sewn together like that!!
David.
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DEATHS.
Davies-May 9, aged 80, Hannah Davies, formerly of Pantfeillionen, near Llandyssul. He was a loyal member in Horeb for many years. A sermon was preached on the occasion, very appropriately, by the Reverend T. P. Phillips, from a subject she had chosen, which was part of the Psalmist's prayer, and no doubt she had prayed it herself, "Do not cast me away in old age; do not forsake me when my strength is lost."
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4584546/4584547/1/Hannah%2BOR%2Bdavies?from=search
Another paper
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Horeb Llandysul
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llandysul/Horeb
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SO sorry. Only just seen this! Normally I get a notification of a reply!
Thank you so so much for your help!