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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Duck on Tuesday 23 September 25 00:38 BST (UK)
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Hi, the historian of my local soccer/footbball club has asked if I can find the death of a former player. His name was Thomas Septimus Dickinson (he used his middle name), born 1890 in Lancashire, England. Apparently he married in Ontario 11 Nov 1919. As we can't find a death in the UK, we think he might of died in Canada, If anyone can help, it would be very much appreciated.
Thank you, Simon
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There is an obituary I don't have access to on 4 Sept 1956 for T S DICKINSON at Central Hospital, Vancouver, in the newspaper "The Province".
Some trees on Ancestry have this record attached to Thomas Septimus DICKINSON, however I note that there is also a Thomas Smith DICKINSON who died in Vancouver on 1 Sept 1956 aged 56.
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Apparently he married in Ontario 11 Nov 1919.
Actually he married 4 Nov 1914 at Fort William, Thunder Bay, Ontario
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:278Q-5HF?lang=en
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I think this is Thomas and Margaret in Fort William in 1931 (DICKSON)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6RST-7TZL?lang=en
I can't find the 1921 census on familysearch, however the family are in Nanaimo, British Columbia
Thomas Septimus DICKINSON 32 clerk (born England)
Margaret 29 (Scotland)
Mary Rimmer 5 (Ontario)
Thomas William 3m (British Columbia)
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There is an obituary I don't have access to on 4 Sept 1956 for T S DICKINSON at Central Hospital, Vancouver, in the newspaper "The Province".
Some trees on Ancestry have this record attached to Thomas Septimus DICKINSON, however I note that there is also a Thomas Smith DICKINSON who died in Vancouver on 1 Sept 1956 aged 56.
This is the obituary (with photograph) referred to BUT he was born 3 July 1899 Guysborough, Guysborough County, Nova Scotia, Canada ?? No mention of football in the obituary ? The marriage record Maddy gives is the right guy, married 5 th November 1914
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tue, 4 Sept 1956
Page 37
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/181602046/
FIND A GRAVE (Thomas Smith Dickinson)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209350275/thomas-smith-dickinson
Notice to creditors. (Thomas Smith Dickinson)
The Vancouver News-Herald
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tue, 29 Jan 1957
Page 15
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-news-herald/181602411/
Notice the signature here :- Cecil Claire Dickinson (Executirix)
The engagement notice in 1929 confirms this is Thomas Smith Dickinson son of William Dickinson of West Vancouver.
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sun, 15 Dec 1929
Page 34
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/181602449/
1911 census 24 Hart St Southport Lancashire.
James William Dickenson 54 Head
Mary Dickenson 51 Wife
Thomas Septimus Dickenson 21 Son. Auctioneers Clerk
Wilfred Dickenson 18 Son
Christopher Hortence Dickenson 12 Son
Alan Rimmer Dickenson 10 Son
Jane Halsall 27 Housemaid
Sandra
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One to discount :- There was the arrival on the Empress of France of another Septimus Dickinson born 1892 - arrived 29 September 1920, described as single. Occupation :- mailman - birth place West Didsbury Manchester.
Also appears on Canada Ocean Arrivals gave his mother as Mrs A E Dickinson. 36 South Drive. Chorltonville. Manchester.
Border Crossings from Canada to United States, 1895-1956 - December 1920 -Rouses Point, Clinton, New York
This appears to be the son of Robert Woolstencroft Dickinson and Annie Elizabeth as per UK 1911 census.
This Septimus Dickinson passed away 8 July 1922 Buenos Aires. Argentina. - probate 11 November 1922 (36 South Drive. Chorlton Cum Hardy)
Sandra
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This is the obituary (with photograph) referred to BUT he was born 3 July 1899 Guysborough, Guysborough County, Nova Scotia, Canada ?? No mention of football in the obituary ?
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tue, 4 Sept 1956
Page 37
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/181602046/
That's great Sandra. I thought the obituary and the death record must be related - the wrong T S DICKINSON. As is often the case, Ancestry trees have it incorrect.
Will keep looking - I can't see any records after 1931 for Thomas or Margaret.
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Perhaps Thomas Septimus and Margaret (Peggy) also stayed in this area ?
The McLeod parents are buried Fort William Thunder Bay.
Daughter - Mary Rimmer Dickinson married in 1949 to Leslie D Dack -
Mary passed away 19 May 2002 Thunder Bay Ontario. (with photograph)
https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/11370489/mrs.-mary-dack
Leslie D Dack passed away 2004 Thunder Bay Ontario.
Obituary for Leslie D Dack
https://www.legacy.com/ca/obituaries/chroniclejournal/name/leslie-dack-obituary?id=43264936
Photo of Leslie D Dack
https://www.everestofthunderbay.com/obituaries/Mr-Leslie-D-DACK?obId=11371133
Sandra
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Another Canadian connection...........
There is an obituary for Alan Rimmer Dickinson passed away in 1964 but no mention of brother Thomas Septimus Dickinson :-\
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tue, 6 Oct 1964
Page 28
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/181607822/
Death Certificate - no parents mentioned :-\
https://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/2a02dcaa-e365-4b4f-ba44-ce36b4acc0c1
Canada Ocean Arrivals - 11 May 1923 - on the Montcalm - Alan Rimmer Dickinson - born Southport - aged 23 years - destines to Busby Alberta - brother Robert Dickinson. Father James William Dickinson. 24 Hart Street. Southport. Lancashire.
Sandra
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Another brother Robert Dickinson passed away in 1943 - only immediate family mentioned.
The Vancouver Sun
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wed, 24 Nov 1943
Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/181608579/
Find A Grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26320888/robert-dickinson
Death Registration :-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL2G-PX2?lang=en
Canada Passenger List - arriving 5 th May 1920 - Montreal on the Victorian - shows Robert with his wife Ruth Grace Dickinson (aged 35 years) and a son (Robert Russell) who had been born in Canada and was aged 8 years.
Robert Russell Dickinson passed in 2003
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tue, 30 Sept 2003
Page 66
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-province/181611157/
Death Certificate :-
https://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/47fd8a80-77e4-4324-aed8-78074b66406e
Sandra
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For information purposes, it appears Thomas S Dickinson played for Preston FC in 1910/1911 (1 season)
The Southport Visiter
Southport, Merseyside
Thu, 15 Sept 1910
Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-southport-visiter/181609781/
https://www.besoccer.com/player/thomas-dickinson-3534862
Sandra
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Another item re. 1910 transfer from Southport
Derby & Chesterfield Reporter, 16 Sep1910
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Canada, City and Area Directories, 1819-1906
Thos S Dickenson - Residence Date 1923
Residence Street Address - rents 146 Craig
Residence Place Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
Employment Place Wfc - Occupation Tmkpr
Relationship Roomer
House Number 146
For reference - 1931 West Fort William, Ontario, Canada. Under Dickson.
Thomas Dickson 42 Head
Margaret Dickson 39 Wife
Mary Dickson 15 Daughter
Thomas Dickson 11 Son
Sandra
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I would like to thank everyone for their help. I'm now wondering why there appears to be no death record for Thomas Septimus, why there was no mention of him in his brothers obituary, but his brothers in England were mentioned
Thank you once again
Simon
P.S. Anymore idea's would be greatly appreciated
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I think the reason the two brothers were mentioned in Alan's obituary was that they were still alive. Christopher dying in 1968 and Wilfred in 1969
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Canada has no BMD index as you do in the UK. Canada also has very strict privacy laws which can make it difficult to trace unless we can find newspaper reports , obituaries etc.,
The obit of Alan Rimmer Dickinson shows that either they had no contact or Thomas had passed before 1964.
The anc trees seem to be getting mixed up and are referring to a different Thomas S Dickinson.
Sandra
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Canada has no BMD index as you do in the UK. Canada also has very strict privacy laws which can make it difficult to trace unless we can find newspaper reports , obituaries etc.,
Sandra
Thank you Sandra, I didn't realise Canada doesn't have a BMD index
Kind regards
Simon
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Cannot contribute to finding death record. Did spot on FamilySearch -
S..S Teutonic, sailed from Liverpool 19 Apr 1913, arrived Quebec 26 Apr 1913.
Passenger manifest includes "Returning Canadians"
Thomas Septimus Dickinson, age - 23, entry stamped "RETD CANADIAN"
Married/Single - S
Have you been in Canada before? - Yes
When - 1911
Where - Calgary
How long - 2yrs
Do you intend to permanently reside Canada - Yes
Read - Yes; Write - Yes
Country of Birth - England; Race - English
Destination - Calgary, Alberta
FindMyPast has a record of a "Thos S Dickinson, labourer", sailing from Liverpool for Montreal 28 Apr 1911 on the Virginian.
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On the marriage of Chrissie Bell McLeod (Margaret/Peggy sister) to Roy John Black in 1915
Peggy signed herself as Mrs Tomas Dickenson.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u0y/
Sandra
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These might be a possibles - perhaps try and contact the Thunder Bay Library to see if you can get copies of any obit to check if Margaret/.Peggy is mentioned ?
INDEX of death notices, obituaries, In Memoriams and estate notices
published in the Fort William Daily Times-Journal 1900 - 1972
Page 212 - Thomas Dickinson - aged 66 years - Fort William - died 27 January 1957 - obit placed 28 January 1957
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/fwdtj-death-index-1900-1972.pdf
You could also try Peggy's brother Donald C McLeod to see if she is mentioned. - 1896 - 1963 - passed aged 64 years - Fort William - 19 March 1963 - obit date 20 March 1963 - page 3.
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/fwdtj-death-index-1900-1972.pdf
another sister Christina/Chrissie (nee McLeod) Black - 1894 - 1985 - passed away aged 89 years - 13 July 1985 - obit date 15 July 1985 - page 27
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/CJ-Obituary-Index-1972-1989.pdf
another sister Jessie (nee McLeod) Bates - 1906 - 1989 - passed away aged 83 years - 8 Dec 1989 - obit fate 11 Dec 1989 - page 22
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/CJ-Obituary-Index-1972-1989.pdf
In Memoriam for brother Matthew (passed away in Minnesota):-
McLeod, Mathew n/a 12 Sep 1936 In Memoriam 11 Sep 1937 p.15
McLeod, Matthew n/a 12 Sep 1936 In Memoriam 12 Sep 1938 p.15
McLeod, Matthew n/a 12 Sep 1936 In Memoriam 12 Sep 1939 p.11
Sandra
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The "Thos S Dickinson, labourer" sailed 28 Apr 1811 can be discounted.
FindMyPast Passenger Lists, under ticket Number 29243 has the departure of -
"T S Dickinson, Auctioneer" sailing on the Megantic from Liverpool to Montreal, 27 May 1911. No age given.
The occupation is a nice fit with Septimus' occupation on the 1911 Southport Census.
Archives Canada under ticket number 29243 has the arrival at Quebec City of -
"Thos S Dickinson, age 21, Estate Agent, destination Montreal".
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-quebec-port-1865-1900/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=3274593&
(NOTE - confirmed another passenger by ticket number who sailed on the Megantic but arrived on the Virginian at Quebec City)
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Confirmation they were living in Fort William, Thunder Bay, Ontario in 1949
Margaret/Peggy/Peggie's mum Jessie Mcleod was living at 524 Wiley Avenue. Fort William. Ontario in 1931. On Canada Voters List 1949 living at 524 Wiley Avenue. Fort William. Ontario were
Thomas Dickinson Can Car Emp -Margaret Dickinson and Marg Dickinson - clerk.
Sandra
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Pretty sure this is Thomas Septimus and Margaret/Peggy Dickinson.
INDEX of death notices, obituaries, In Memoriams and estate notices
published in the Fort William Daily Times-Journal 1900 - 1972
Page 212 - Thomas Dickinson - aged 66 years - Fort William - died 27 January 1957 - obit placed 28 January 1957
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/fwdtj-death-index-1900-1972.pdf
Dickinson, Margaret (nee McLeod) aged 82 years - 22 Feb 1975 Thunder Bay - obit date - 24 Feb 1975 p.23
https://www.tbpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2023/10/CJ-Obituary-Index-1972-1989.pdf
Sandra
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Here is a copy of the headstone :- Mountain View Cemetery. Thunder Bay. Ontario.
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~jmitchell/mountainviewcd.html
Sandra
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Once again, I would like to thank everyone for their all their hard work
Many thanks
Simon