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I am researching the Horse and Jockey. 32 Hope Street Wrexham.
I have lots of information from the newspapers up to early 1900s.
These later ones I found on the British newspapers Archives but I don`t subscribe.
Could anyone please take a look. The OCR is not good but it`s limited anyway.
I`m wondering who died in 1910. Who was Eddie in 1987.
Thankfully the 1984 plans never took place and it`s still a pub.
Thanks
North Wales Times Denbighshire, Wales
21 May 1910
and Mrs. Kempster, Horse and Jockey Inn. Wrexham; and Mrs. J. E. Williams, Trefnant. Beautiful wreaths covered the coffin, and were from the bereaved husband and daughter; Mr. Hugh Williams and family. Hall Square; Mrs. West. Wrexham;
21 May 1910
POMBBAL OP MU B G WILLIAMS
Haggis Parry, Horse and Jockey, Wrexham ; ana Ura J Williams, Trefnant, The following beautiful wreaths and floral eonlributtons ware reoeired From tbs Family ; Mrs J E Williams, Trefnant; Ur Hugh Williams and family ; Ur* West, Wrexham ; Ur and Ur* Jones
Cheshire Observer Cheshire, England
4 Nov 1987
OBSERVER WEDNESDAY 4th NOVEMBER 1987 (Gp 6) SCOUTING AWARDS Visit of Lord Plumb Presenting the certificates Mr Glyn Pardoe reserve
HMS Broadsword on the day Wrexham Lager brewery presented the ship’s company with a special gift of lager Not only is Eddie a navy veteran he is also a veteran of the brewery having grown up in the Horse and Jockey in Wrexham with his brother who was a
Liverpool Daily Post (Welsh Edition) Denbighshire, Wales
14 Mar 1984
March 14 1984 this council has a fault it is a lack of communication with the The Horse and Jockey at Wrexham New hurdle for pub’s conversion PLANS to convert a centuries-old thatched pub in Wrexham town centre into a shop have again run into problems Allied Breweries
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21st May 1910 -person who died was Mrs R George Williams (wife of George Williams) she had a daughter Alice Williams and a sister Mrs Wright :)
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1987 It was Eddie Smith from Chester Royal Navy Club - he grew up in the Horse and Jockey
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Wondered if you'd picked up -
Wrexham Guardian ... & Flintshire Advertiser, 4 Sep1869
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Good to see that it hasn't gone the way of so many old pubs - let's hope it can continue advertising its wares and stocks the local lager!
Wrexham Mail, 5 Mar 1993
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Liverpool Daily Post,20 May 1988
From 1984 threat of disappearing to 1988 prize winning candidate
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Converted from three cottages in the 1700s with a thatched roof still in 1974.
This pic from The Liverpool Daily Post, 27 Mar 1974 shows it unchanged today.
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Intrigued to note that the Horse and Jockey, junction of Priory Street and Hope Street, is not marked on this 1872/81 Wrexham town plan while other hostelries further along the street are -
https://viewer.library.wales/4761895#?xywh=16051%2C1625%2C2367%2C1331&cv=8
This 1909 map shows a PH, unnamed, at the junction where the Horse and Jockey currently sits and others unnamed to the east.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/135194968#zoom=6.7&lat=8747&lon=5047&layers=BT
Wonder why it didn't qualify to be listed on the town plan?
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Wondered if you'd picked up -
Wrexham Guardian ... & Flintshire Advertiser, 4 Sep1869
That's great, I had Henry Hughes who died there, but wasn't sure if she married Thomas Jones. Mind you there was a Hughes stepson.
That confirms it. Thanks.
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1987 It was Eddie Smith from Chester Royal Navy Club - he grew up in the Horse and Jockey
Mrs West was in the Jockey for many years, her neice Margaret Parry married a Frederick Smith, c 1923.
Something to look for.
Thanks.
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Good to see that it hasn't gone the way of so many old pubs - let's hope it can continue advertising its wares and stocks the local lager!
Wrexham Mail, 5 Mar 1993
Thanks
It's had its ups and downs, back in the 70s/80s / 90s it was a real local on the Lager pubs trawl around town. It was full of characters from 18 to 80. Had some fun nights in there. 🍻🍻🍻🏴 Town isn't the same now, all wine bars and cocktail places.
The old regulars have long gone. The Jockey will never be an old lager pub again but with the amount of interest the town has now due to the football club it should be taken over and promoted.
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21st May 1910 -person who died was Mrs R George Williams (wife of George Williams) she had a daughter Alice Williams and a sister Mrs Wright :)
Thanks, that's given me a start.
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Intrigued to note that the Horse and Jockey, junction of Priory Street and Hope Street, is not marked on this 1872/81 Wrexham town plan while other hostelries further along the street are -
https://viewer.library.wales/4761895#?xywh=16051%2C1625%2C2367%2C1331&cv=8
This 1909 map shows a PH, unnamed, at the junction where the Horse and Jockey currently sits and others unnamed to the east.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/135194968#zoom=6.7&lat=8747&lon=5047&layers=BT
Wonder why it didn't qualify to be listed on the town plan?
The 1909 , there is more of the pub actually on Priory Street, it's only got a small frontage on Hope Street. It's the only pub left out of all the others on Hope Street.
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You're welcome.
Bit clearer about the story of the pub after spotting an item which described the Hope Street front end sometimes functioning as a private residence while the Priority Street back end operated as the "Colliers". Just great to see it surviving.
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Slater's Directory of N&S Wales etc. 1880 does not record a Horse and Jockey under "Taverns and Public Houses". However, under "Retailers of Beer" it lists -
Humphreys Edward, 32 Hope Street
The 1891 Census shows Harriet Edwards, widow, publican, at the Horse and Jockey, 32 Hope St.
Beerhouses could carry a name but this was often ignored when reporting or mapping.
Thanks for the post.
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it down as 32 Hope Street in some census records, a couple also have the name. It`s still at 32 Hope Street now. It had the thatch replaced twice after fires, but looks in need of some TLC at the moment,
Now too sure about the Fred Archer, tale it was already called the Horse and Jockey when he was born.
I find people just look at directories for names, but I prefer to search in old newspapers. And new ones thanks to you poeple.
https://www.caelcymru.com/wrexham/the-horse-and-jockey-pub
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Slater's Directory of N&S Wales etc. 1880 does not record a Horse and Jockey under "Taverns and Public Houses". However, under "Retailers of Beer" it lists -
Humphreys Edward, 32 Hope Street
The 1891 Census shows Harriet Edwards, widow, publican, at the Horse and Jockey, 32 Hope St.
Beerhouses could carry a name but this was often ignored when reporting or mapping.
Thanks for the post.
It`s Harriet Humphreys b Brymbo on Ancestry . Her husband was Edward
On 24 June 1890 Edward Humphreys died at the Horse and Jockey, he was aged 67.
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There's a great article in the Wrexham Advertiser, 1 Sep 1883, of a Temperance petition against renewing the licences of 17 drinking establishments in Wrexham (available on Welsh newspapers). Edward Humphrey's, Horse and Jockey, in particular singled out. In the end all were granted.
So, by 1883 the pub was being recognised as the Horse and Jockey.
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Wondered if you'd picked up -
Wrexham Guardian ... & Flintshire Advertiser, 4 Sep1869
That's great, I had Henry Hughes who died there, but wasn't sure if she married Thomas Jones. Mind you there was a Hughes stepson.
That confirms it. Thanks.
I've only just got round to checking Welshnewspapers - and the Horse and Jockey is alive, well and referred to from the 1850s onwards eg. the birth of James and Jane Rogers' daughter there in Sep 1858.
Again, thanks or the post.