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Who was the wife of Christopher Laws, England, 1761-1841.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Do you have anymore information about him?
He seems hard to find but there are a lot of people here who will try and help search for him.
Regards,
Daisy
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Apologies for not giving more detail. Information given to me, apparently sourced from FAMILYSEARCH, is that Charles was born in 1761, (maybe in Norfolk, England). His daughter Mary MOORE (b. Laws) was born on 7 Nov 1793 in East Winch, Norfolk, England. Charles died in 1841 (probably in Norwich, Norfolk, England).
Just to clarify, it’s Charles I meant, not Christopher.
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You have his death, where was it recorded?
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Death does not appear on gro index
SS
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Who was the wife of Christopher Laws, England, 1761-1841.
Have you already checked this person on FamilySearch?
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Christopher or Charles?
Or are they relatives?
Bev
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There is a CHARLES Laws in Norwich in 1841 - 80 (bn c1761) and bn Norfolk. In the same household William and Elizabeth Watt with 2 children.
Death
LAWS, CHARLES age 84
GRO Reference: 1842 September Quarter in NORWICH Reg dist Volume 13 Page 155
ADDED
Norwich Mercury 8th July 1842
On Sunday last after a few days illness in the 84th year of his age Charles Laws of St Augustines, Hosier,
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If you did mean Charles and my previous post is the correct person then
Bury & Suffolk Herald
On Monday Last - (The start of a previous entry)
The same day, Ann, the beloved wife of Mr Charles Laws, many years a respectable inhabitant of St Augustines in Norwich, age 63
LAWS, ANN 64
GRO Reference: 1841 March Quarter in NORWICH Volume 13 Page 188
Is she a second wife, their ages are 20 years apart
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Who is your direct relative?
Notes
There is a William Moore of Congham who marries Mary Laws of Snettisham 16 July 1822 at Congham
Witness Francis Moore and Elizabeth Moore.
Only William signed
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Paper trail genealogy is not my strength so I am using information handed on by other people. Charles Laws wife would be my direct maternal ancestor, 6 generations, thus my mtDNA ancestor. The people you mention are much later than those I am looking for, but their location means they are likely to be related.
By 1866 my branch of the Moore family had moved to Australia.
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Who was the wife of Christopher Laws, England, 1761-1841.
Please correct to CHARLES, not Christopher
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If Mary Laws was born 7 November 1793 she would have been 28-29 years old when she married.
William More/Moore. 16 July 1822.
Children found so far
1822- 1826 ?
Francis circa 1826 (from 1841 census)
Eleanor 1827 bap. at Congham
Mary (1841 census) shows as Ann on bap. record.
William 1831
James 1833
Mirius 1835 (Maurice) this one goes to Australia**
Sarah Laws 1838
Frances Laws 1840 (reg. Freebridge Lynn 1840 mother's maiden name Laws.)
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1841 census listed as Maurice age 5 with family in Castle Rising
1851 Census Moris Moor is 15 and a servant in Kings Lynn.
I assure you they are not the "older generation"
Marius married Alice and his father William paid his passage to Australia
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Marriage at Norwich, St Gorges Colegate by Banns called 5 Aug 1810 Charles LAWES of this parish Widower & Ann FLOWERS of the same parish Widow were married married 23 Aug 1810, Bride and groom marked. Witnesses : John HEAD (marked) John LACCOHCE? (signed).
However the OP seems to be after after the mother of Mary MOORE (nee LAWS?) who he she says was born in East Winch 7 Nov 1793 and maybe married William MOORE at Congham 15 July 1822. East Winch is near Kings Lynn and a long way from Norwich. Ditto Congham.
Marriage by banns at Congham William MOORE bachelor of Congham & Mary LAWS spinster of Snettisham, 16 July 1822. Groom Signed. Witnesses Francis MOORE and Elizabeth MOORE (both marked).
Baptism at Sedgeford 6 Oct 1793 Mary LAWS (born 1 Apr 1793) Daur of William and Elizabeth LAWS.
Baptism at South Lynn 8 Apr 1793 Mary LAWS daur of Thomas and Hannah LAWS
Baptism at Sedgeford 1 Jul 1799 Maria LAWS (born 12 Feb 1799 Daur of William and Elizabeth LAWS (late HENDRY)
and there may be others.
1841 census has Mary MOORE in Congham as age 40 so born between 1796 and 1800. Seems like the idea that Mary LAWS father was called Charles is wrong.
The second son to William and Mary MOORE was called William which means a fair chance that Mary’s dad was called William.
GRO index shows the birth of Frances who was age 6 months in 1941
Birth q3 1840 Frances MOORE mmn LAWS Freebridge Lynn district 13 131.
A Death q1 1853 Mary MOORE age 57 Freebridge Lynn 4b 273. (so born about 1796)
However Mary MOORE age 64 born in East Winch is still with her family in he 1861 census for Roydon.
Baptism at East WINCH 21 Aug 1797 Mary daur Griffin and Sarah LAWS
BT - Baptism at East Winch 21 Aug 1797 Mary daur Thomas and Sarah LAWS
Baptism at East Winch 2 Nov 1809 Griffin son of Griffin and Sarah LAWS.
Burial at East Winch in 1832 of a Griffin LAWS born about 1771.
Baptism 1773 at Little Dunham Norfolk Griffen LARS son of Mary LARS. The image is very poor but I think thats likely LAWS.
However I cannot find a marriage for Griffin and Sarah so do not know her surname.
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Heigham, Norfolk
Griffin Laws - Single man
Sarah Hearn - Single Woman
Both of the Parish (Heigham)
Marriage date 09 Jan 1797
Griffin marked with x, Sarah signed her name
Wit Wm Alp? & Thomas Willement
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Baptism at East Winch 2 Nov 1809 Griffin son of Griffin and Sarah LAWS.
Register image has 'Griffin & Lucy twins S & D of Griffin & Sarah Laws
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1871 Census Roydon
William Moore 75 born Hellesden
Mary 73 Born East Winch
Francis 46 Born Grimston - son - Blind
Sarah 33 Born Congham - daughter
Georgina 3 Born Roydon - grand daughter
With that in mind the earlier children of this marriage could be
All baptised at Grimston
Martha bap 28 April 1822 buried 8 May 1822 age 1 month
Martha bap 21 September 1823
Elizabeth bap 18 May 1823 ?
*Francis bap 29 May 1825
Margaret bap 15 January 1826
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However I cannot find a marriage for Griffin and Sarah so do not know her surname.
MARRIAGE
9 Jan 1797
Heigham, Norfolk, England
Griffin LAWS and Sarah HEARN or HERMS
Both of this parish
BURIAL
Griffin Laws (age 61)
East Winch, Norfolk
12 Dec. 1832
(Apologies. I see these have been posted previously.)
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Well spotted for the marriage. Interesting to see that Griffin LAWS went all the way to Norwich (for work?) got married and then returned back to the Lynn area.
Using Freebmd
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
The Elizabeth MOORE born in 1823 seems to get married >
Marriage q1 1846 Freebridge Lynn 13 279 - Elizabeth MOORE and John BONE or John HOOKS or James SCOTT or Edmund WARNER.
Banns at Grimstone 8, 15 and 28 Mar 1846 Elizabeth MOORE Spinster of Grimstone, John BONE bachelor of Grimstone
Marriage took place on 28 March, Bride and groom of full age, John’s a Labourer, his father Risborough BONE a Labourer, Elizabeth’s father William MOORE a shepherd. Witnesses William NEALE, Elissa MOORE, and Mary Ann MOORE.. The MOORE girls all signed.
1851 census, Field Barn, Grimstone, NFK
John BONE Head Mar 28 Ag Lab NFK Grimstone
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 28 NFK do
Elijah do son 7 Scholar NFK do
Susanna do daur 4 NFK do
Ellen do saur 2 NFK do
Raisbuey do son 10mo NFK do
Using the GRO for the birth of Elijah
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
I could not find a birth for Elijah but did find this
Birth q2 1850 Raysbra BONE mmn MOORE Freebridge Lynn 13 158
Ellena’s birth q3 1848 and Susanna’s in q3 1846
I’ve concentrated on Elizabeth having been advised by PM that this is the line of EA69 and I thought it worth checking - given the earlier wild goose chase about Cristopher and Charles. We’ve all got it wrong occasionally.
’I am told Elizabeth and John BONE also went to Australia. Seems to have been a lot of Ag Labs leaving East Anglia during the 1800s. My G Gad moved from Suffolk to North Yorkshire and his dad’s cousin went to Canada. It was a DNA match to the Canada man’s family that proved that my illegitimate Gran’s step dad was actually her dad.
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I see there is a probate record 1883 for Griffin Laws of East Winch. Executor is a William Laws.
Just a chance that Griffin may have mentioned in his Will something about his siblings in Australia.
Assuming that we have not got it wrong again.
I have not had any luck in figuring out where and when Sarah Hearn who married Griffin Laws the elder was born.
Probably time I did something more useful.
Added - according to a newspaper item Griffin was a Mole Catcher so probably had little money.
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Probably time I did something more useful.
That did make me chuckle, it is just what I have been telling myself since being on here for much of the afternoon
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WikiTree offers an opportunity to very accurately identify people, after which their biography can be improved by any members with appropriate knowledge. The original question was about CHARLES not Christopher LAWS. Apologies for the error - ‘senior moment’ is the best excuse I can offer.
So for any WikiTree users, the question can be expressed as ‘Did Laws-1750 marry HORTH-114’, source apparently ENGLAND MARRIAGES 1538-1973.
Downstream people are Mary Laws-1749 (my GGGgrandmother) married Moore-100433; her daughter Elizabeth Moore-73671 married John Bone-2487 and emigrated to NSW, Australia about 1865 with a large family.
On the subject of time wasting, in the few days since I joined RootsChat I have inadvertently created 2 profiles EA69 and ALAN69, with no prospect of merging them; I have chats under both names but can’t determine which one I’m accessing; I don’t know if I’m in public or private chat mode; and am continuously getting incorrect password messages to which I reset to exactly the same password each time. I don’t know if I can delete both profiles (and loose all associated chats) and start over. Thanks to all those who have contributed over this short period, but I may never find this chat again.
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Hi Alan, I had not noticed that you were new to Rootschat. Belated welcome.
You should get an email telling you that this post has been made to this board unless you have clicked the "un-notify button.
Click on the link of the email and it should bring you back here. However that may bring you back as a guest or as a user.
When looking at a forum discussion you will be looking a s screen as attached. Look at the top left of the attached (above the pretty banner) and you will see the words "Hi Spelk" which tells me that I am logged in as Spelk. Your will have the name of whatever you are logged in as or if not you could be using as a guest.
Further along you can see that there is a button to "Log Out". I suggest you log out of the account you no longer want and if you cannot close it then just never log in again. to that account. A moderator might help you close it.
Changing the name which people see you as does not require a new account. You can change your public name independent of your account log in details. I have had two or three different names over the years. Note that changing a public name is not recommended as this can confuse people as to who you are so try to stick with a name.
I am unclear what the problem with your passwords is. Better put the question on the Technical Help board. It could be that you are being asked for a new password and where it is failing is that you are giving it the old password.
I'll send another note about what the Message (the private message board looks like.
I'm assuming you are using a computer or at least a tablet. I would not try to use Rootschat on my little phone screen if I could avoid it.
You mentioned looking at your family on Wikitree which I gather is altered by anyone. That way lies madness. Some people providing inputs to th tree may be very careful and accurate but you can be sure that there will be some people adding people to families with scant regard to whether it is right or not. They had the same thing with the original IGI which was put together by the LDS (Mormons). The work they did transcribing old parish records of baptisms and marriages and distributing them on microfiche was a great asset for people like me doing family research back in the day last century.
However they also let members submit information about farming connections with nothing more than guesses and family tales. The IGI shows my grandmother as being born in Middlesbrough and her mother being born in Malton. It was actual the other way around as I know from their birth certificates. I asked to view the source information and saw it was input on a form written by a distant cousin who was mormon and a police officer. No comments about the police falsifying evidence please.
You tree should be something under your control. Many programs available for keeping the tree on your devices or even online. Use suggestions from others as hints but do not take any facts for granted unless you know where it came from. Even when you get a certificate for birth death to marriage they can be wrong.
Enough for now -we have plumbing problem.
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Attached is a copy of the MESSAGES screen as you can tell by the highlighted "MY MESSAGES" in the black banner.
Note that these screenshots have been reduced in size as the original files at 1.5 MB would not be allowed.
Plumbing issue seems to have gone away.
Regarding the parents of Mary LAWS who married John
edit - William MOORE, Ignore what Wikitree people say. The census records give her birth year (might be inaccurate but not by much) and it is in the tiny village of East Winch in Norfolk. The only possible baptism I have found is that where parents are Griffin LAWS and his wife Sarah. Any discussions about a man called Charles LAWS who lived in Norwich seem pointless
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Alan,
I do not normally use Familysearch as although free I find Findmypast or Ancestry easier for census lookups. However Rootschat is not in favour of us providing lookups from paid for sites which are not freely available elsewhere.
So I had a look for Mary MOORE nee LAWS on Familysearch.
In 1861 census for Royston I noticed that they had with them a 10 year old grandson called in the transcript Hatbery BONE.
That is the Raisbury BONE baptised in 1850 to John and Elizabeth (nee MOORE). As I remember from the stuff above Raisbury was the name of the father of JOHN BONE so that proves the links with between Elizabeth BONE nee MOORE and William MOORE and Mary nee LAWS.
This is all paper trail of course and DNA can always ruin these "facts".
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Thanks for your reply and the longer reply on more LAWS profiles you also sent. I regret I am no further ahead with using RootsChat, so I am still stuck in PRIVATE mode and in BEGINNER mode.
In my experience, the only unequivocal way to identify a person is in WikiTree, which gives each person a unique identifier, but I suspect Family Search does the same. If you can access WikiTree and enter Laws-1749 in the search box, my problem is that her parents are incorrect. Charles and Elizabeth (Laws-1750 and Horth-114) had a daughter Mary (actually Mary Ann; Laws-1749) but she married Robert Paraman, not William (Moore-100433). So I need a different Mary as the wife of Moore-100433. Her surname and parents unknown but Griffin and Sarah LAWS are possibilities ?.
William and Mary Moore had a daughter Elizabeth (Moore-73671) who was my GG grandmother and her grandson in Australia was Raisbra Moore Bone. Our family think Raisbra is the correct spelling, and has been handed down several generations but it has many variants on different web sites.