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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: KMLC on Friday 12 September 25 15:35 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have been trying to locate two particular records for some time now. Specifically, I need assistance with finding a death record for William Lynn and a birth record for his son, James.
William Lynn/ Linn was born in Ireland about 1831. He married Margaret Hagins/ Hagan/ Higgins (named spelled differently on various records) March 13, 1852 at Glastry meeting house in the parish of Innishargie in County Down, Ireland. They had several children most of whom seem to have died in infancy except for the daughter, Margaret, who was born in 1871 in Grangee townland, Donaghadee, County Down.
I know that at some point between 1871 and 1873 they end up in Dalmellington, Ayrshire, Scotland because their daughter, Elizabeth, is born there February 24, 1873 and died a few weeks later.
On her birth and death records it lists their residence as 78 Burnfoothill which along with Lethanhill was built to house workers in the Iron stone mines by the Dalmellington Iron Company. William's occupation was a Laborer. That’s the last I can find of him.
In 1880 his widow, Margaret, marries Crawford Lindsay who is an iron stone miner residing at 138 Lethanhill. The marriage record lists her marital status as Widow. Her address is Lethanhill but the house number is difficult to make out. Almost looks like it is the same as Crawfords.
The 1881 census shows they are still living in Dalmellington, and lists Crawford, his 3 sons and Margaret’s daughter, Margaret Lynn (10, born in Ireland) and James Lynn (5, born in Ayrshire, Dalmellington) but I cannot find a birth record for him. I should also mention they leave Scotland for the US a few years later. Crawford and his eldest son in 1886 and Margaret and the rest in 1887.
I have searched Scotland’s People using variations of spelling of his name, variations of Margaret’s maiden name, leaving it out altogether and even just a first name or last name only.
So either I’m doing something wrong, the record doesn’t exist or he wasn’t born in Dalmellington. I even tried looking at Irish birth records for him just incase they went back there for a time.
If any of you can help solve these two mysteries I would very much appreciate it.
Best Regards,
KC
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Have you already ruled out the 1879 Ayrshire death for William Linn aged 52 - mothers maiden name Morton?
Same site - birth 1874 for a James Cochrane Linn in Irvine
In 1880 his widow, Margaret, marries Crawford Lindsay who is an iron stone miner residing at 138 Lethanhill. The marriage record lists her marital status as Widow.
Who are her parents on the marriage cert which will give you her maiden name - unless it was Higgins?
1873 birth reg for Elizabeth LYNN shows mmn as Higgins
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James Cochran Linn
14 February 1874
Irvine
Father William Linn
Mother Marian Cochran
They can be found in Govan on the 1881 Census
So this one can be ruled out
Rosie
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Have you already ruled out the 1879 Ayrshire death for William Linn aged 52 - mothers maiden name Morton?
Same site - birth 1874 for a James Cochrane Linn in Irvine
In 1880 his widow, Margaret, marries Crawford Lindsay who is an iron stone miner residing at 138 Lethanhill. The marriage record lists her marital status as Widow.
Who are her parents on the marriage cert which will give you her maiden name - unless it was Higgins?
1873 birth reg for Elizabeth LYNN shows mmn as Higgins
On the Irish marriage record for William and Margaret his father is John Linn (occupation farmer). I don't know his mother's name. Margaret's name on that record is spelled Hagins. Her father is James Hagins (occupation laborer).
On her marriage to Crawford her maiden name is listed as Higgins. Her mother, Mary McGhee.
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James Cochran Linn
14 February 1874
Irvine
Father William Linn
Mother Marian Cochran
They can be found in Govan on the 1881 Census
So this one can be ruled out
Rosie
Yes, that one can be ruled out for sure.
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James Cochran Linn
14 February 1874
Irvine
Father William Linn
Mother Marian Cochran
They can be found in Govan on the 1881 Census
So this one can be ruled out
Rosie
Yes, that one can be ruled out for sure.
I can see the problem you are having trying to find a birth ???
Have you found records of James in Pennsylvania
I can see Margaret and Crawford on the 1900 census
Rosie
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James Cochran Linn
14 February 1874
Irvine
Father William Linn
Mother Marian Cochran
They can be found in Govan on the 1881 Census
So this one can be ruled out
Rosie
Yes, that one can be ruled out for sure.
I can see the problem you are having trying to find a birth ???
Have you found records of James in Pennsylvania
I can see Margaret and Crawford on the 1900 census
Rosie
No. I've never been able to find him on any census or even a death record in the US.
Thank you for trying. I appreciate it.
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I couldn't see any records either in the U S A or a death for him in Scotland there is always a chance he was not her son ?
I noticed on the 1900 census Margaret had 12 children and just 2 living have you found all these children
Rosie
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I couldn't see any records either in the U S A or a death for him in Scotland there is always a chance he was not her son ?
I noticed on the 1900 census Margaret had 12 children and just 2 living have you found all these children
Rosie
No I've only found 5.
3 were born in Ireland (beginning in 1865) and died in infancy. Margaret, (also born in Ireland, who came to the US with her mother) and lastly, baby Elizebeth who was born and died in Scotland.
Civil birth register records began in 1864 in Ireland. William and Margaret were married in 1852. I think it's likely the other children were born to before 1864 and that's why I can't find them.
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Some of the immigrant records I have been looking at are very hard to read .I seen the one for Crawford have you seen any for James Lynn travelling with Margaret ?
Rosie
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Some of the immigrant records I have been looking at are very hard to read .I seen the one for Crawford have you seen any for James Lynn travelling with Margaret ?
Rosie
That's another strange thing. The record of their arrival mentions Margaret, two step sons, Thomas and Crawford, daughter Margaret, and last, an 8 year old boy named John. I believe that is James and they made a mistake when taking down his name. Either that or the name on the 1881 Scotland census record should be John and not James. As for his age being off, Margaret's age is off as well. Perhaps it was less expensive for children to travel so they lied about their ages.
I've tried searching for a John Lynn in Scotland as well but, no luck. I think James/John died shortly after arriving in the US (and before the 1900 census) and since there were no death records required by law at that time in Pennsylvania that's why we can't locate him here.
As for the two living children you mentioned on the 1900 US census, in daughter Margaret's obit in 1939 it mentions she had a brother named William living in Ireland. He must have been one of the children born to William and Margaret before 1864.
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Have seen a few deaths of possible children of William and Margaret .I also came across a marriage for a
William Lynn 6/12/1873 father William Lynn labourer
He married Elizabeth McKeag witnesses was James Lynn
And Mary McKeag
Address was Grangee which is the same address where some of the children of William and Margaret were born
I also found marriage for James Lynn 8 /12/1874 father William Lynn labourer address Grangee he married Mary McKeag witness was a James Hagan
So looks like the brothers married the sisters of McKeag
Family .James Lynn died 1875 in the workhouse and Mary marries again 1878
So if William is mentioned on his sister's obituary that
Would account for the 2 living children mentioned in the census record
You can view these records on the Irish Genealogy.ie district Newtownards
Rosie
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Have seen a few deaths of possible children of William and Margaret .I also came across a marriage for a
William Lynn 6/12/1873 father William Lynn labourer
He married Elizabeth McKeag witnesses was James Lynn
And Mary McKeag
Address was Grangee which is the same address where some of the children of William and Margaret were born
I also found marriage for James Lynn 8 /12/1874 father William Lynn labourer address Grangee he married Mary McKeag witness was a James Hagan
So looks like the brothers married the sisters of McKeag
Family .James Lynn died 1875 in the workhouse and Mary marries again 1878
So if William is mentioned on his sister's obituary that
Would account for the 2 living children mentioned in the census record
You can view these records on the Irish Genealogy.ie district Newtownards
Rosie
Thank you so much Rosie for all your help.
I will check out the records you mentioned and do some research on their children as well.
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Your welcome I found it easier to put in the name Lynn and the district Newtownards on the Irish site .
Maybe the husband William Lynn went back to Ireland ?
Rosie
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I also came across a marriage for a
William Lynn 6/12/1873 father William Lynn labourer
He married Elizabeth McKeag witnesses was James Lynn
And Mary McKeag
Address was Grangee which is the same address where some of the children of William and Margaret were born
I also found marriage for James Lynn 8 /12/1874 father William Lynn labourer address Grangee he married Mary McKeag witness was a James Hagan
So looks like the brothers married the sisters of McKeag
Family .James Lynn died 1875 in the workhouse and Mary marries again 1878
Adding the URL links for the marriages-
1873 marriage
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11285/8140123.pdf
1874 marriage
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11252/8126634.pdf
Both marriages in the Registrar's Office in Newtownards.
A James Lynn (a pauper) does die in Newtownards Workhouse in 1875.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020626/7237092.pdf
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Thanks again Kiltaglassan :D
Rosie
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You're very welcome, Rosie :)
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I also came across a marriage for a
William Lynn 6/12/1873 father William Lynn labourer
He married Elizabeth McKeag witnesses was James Lynn
And Mary McKeag
Address was Grangee which is the same address where some of the children of William and Margaret were born
I also found marriage for James Lynn 8 /12/1874 father William Lynn labourer address Grangee he married Mary McKeag witness was a James Hagan
So looks like the brothers married the sisters of McKeag
Family .James Lynn died 1875 in the workhouse and Mary marries again 1878
Adding the URL links for the marriages-
1873 marriage
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11285/8140123.pdf
1874 marriage
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11252/8126634.pdf
Both marriages in the Registrar's Office in Newtownards.
A James Lynn (a pauper) does die in Newtownards Workhouse in 1875.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020626/7237092.pdf
Thank you