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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: ashtayl04 on Wednesday 10 September 25 13:40 BST (UK)
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Looking for the parent’s of Mary Jane Malcolm, born in 1833 in Ireland,
She married Thomas Stanfield on the 23rd January 1849 in Leinster and came to the uk in 1869,
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Couple married in Co Down (which is in Ulster, not Leinster). Thomas had been married before and was in the army (so perhaps not native to Co Down?).
Mary Jane’s father William was a policeman. RIC policy generally was not to post Constables to counties where they were born or had family connections, so he too may not be a native of Co Down.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09370/5393614.pdf
That said, the RIC recruitment records on Ancestry record a William Malcolm from Co Down who was recruited in 1828, aged 23. Place of birth was Co. Down.
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I wonder where Mary Jane Malcolm was baptised? This would help with finding her mother, so forth a marriage for the parents too
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This looks like this might where marriage in "Leinster" came from-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNX-GNG?lang=en
According to (submitted) family tree attached to the marriage records Thomas was born 1812 in Staffordshire and died in 1874 in Wales-
familysearch.org/en/tree/person/L217-H9P
Oldest child listed (Thomas) born 1852 in Athlone Co. Westmeath but next children christened in 1855 in England.
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Death of Sarah, widow of the late constable William Malcolm https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/5c82ec63-f849-457a-a3ce-f9c9c243648a
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Mary Jane was living in Bryansford and married in Kilcoo Church of Ireland. So possibly was baptised there too c 1831. Kilcoo’s baptism records start in 1786. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast (personal visit required to view them) and there’s some years on rootsireland (I don’t know which years).
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Downpatrick Recorder. 5 Apr.1867: Malcolm- March 31. at his residence, Saul-street, Downpatrick, Constable William Malcolm, aged sixty-one years.
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A possible brother for Mary Jane here:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09453/5425033.pdf
A possible sister here:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11426/8197254.pdf
The geographic area is right but I note the father William was a police sergeant, whereas your William appears to have remained a Constable. But who knows?
Isabella in 1901:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/De_Burgh_Square/1530678/
and 1911:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/De_Burgh_Square/627677/
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1851 Census
William Malcolm
Sarah M.1826
Isabella
Mary Jane
Bessy
(Mary Jane’s Named her Daughter’s Sarah & Bessy so we’ve got solid conformation here thankfully
Sarah (Mary Jane’s Mother) died in 1869 as we’ve seen on the clipping in Saul Street, Downpatrick
So ideally finding a death record for William Malcolm and Seeing if their’s exisiting records that can go back even further on what we’ve already found.
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A possible brother for Mary Jane here:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09453/5425033.pdf
A possible sister here:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11426/8197254.pdf
The geographic area is right but I note the father William was a police sergeant, whereas your William appears to have remained a Constable. But who knows?
Well, William is a constable on one record, and a sergeant on the other.
But note that the RIC had a different rank structure than modern police forces. For many years their constables were the equivalent of modern sergeants. At some point - I forget the date - RIC constables became sergeants.
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So ideally finding a death record for William Malcolm and Seeing if their’s exisiting records that can go back even further on what we’ve already found.
I already posted a link to William's death notice-
Downpatrick Recorder. 5 Apr.1867: Malcolm- March 31. at his residence, Saul-street, Downpatrick, Constable William Malcolm, aged sixty-one years.
Registration of deaths started in 1864 but the very early one are not yet viewable on Irish Genealogy. You can view if on GRONI's website after registering (free) and buying a few credits-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
However, you may not get much more detail than what's in the newspaper note (except, of course, cause of death should be listed).
I looked for Isabella (Malcolm) Barber's family in Derry City Cemetery records online which list place of birth, names of parents, etc. but none of that family seem to be there.