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Hi all.
From all the records I have on my ancestor Margaret Watson, I believe she was born in Ireland around 1839, and moved to Scotland with her parents Andrew and Mary (ne Kennedy) aged 2.
I can't narrow down her birthplace any better than Ireland I'm afraid, so is there any other way of finding her birth record?
I can't find a marriage record for her parents either!
I have found an 1838 baptism in Donaghadee for a Mary Watson, with parents Andrew and Mary - and a note saying the child's name is unclear - could it be Margaret? How do I see the original image?
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Possibly parents marriage.
Ireland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866
Name Andrew Watson
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 1835
Marriage Place Eire Armagh, Ireland
Registration Place Armagh, Ireland
Diocese Armagh
Spouse
Mary Kennedy
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Ireland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866
Name Andrew Watson
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 1835
Marriage Place Eire Armagh, Ireland
Registration Place Armagh, Ireland
Diocese Armagh
Spouse
Mary Kennedy
Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds 1623-1866
https://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246527_00293.pdf
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How do I see the original image
For Protestant marriages that usually involves visiting PRONI in Belfast and consulting the microfilm of the church (as RootsIreland only has Transcripts). Check it exists for the parish, denomination & church desired. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records
However, given the Marriage Bond in Armagh Diocese, the Donaghadee entry you found is unlikely to be her. Understand that church records used pre-civil registration are incomplete, not all survive and not all of the surviving are online in any form. More Church of Ireland records were lost PRO Dublin 1922 than survive (along with the original copy of that marriage Bond index entry). So not finding a marriage or baptism 1835-1840 is common; it is around that era that more Presbyterian and Roman Catholic registers begin to be kept too.
Narrowing down from Ireland to somewhere in Armagh Diocese (not County, parishes in Louth, Armagh, Tyrone & Londonderry) does not really get you any further
- map https://archive.org/details/armaghclergypari00lesl/page/n509/mode/2up
list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_Armagh_(Church_of_Ireland)
https://www.irish-geneaography.com/church-of-ireland-dioceses--diocesan-records.html
If Andrew or Mary lived past 1855 then their Scottish Death Certs should be viewed as those would name their parents (if the informant had been told & recalled correctly).
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Would the official birth entry for Mary Watson show details of parents marriage.
1871 census
Andrew Watson Head Widower Male 57 1814 Shipbuilder lab Ireland
Margaret Watson Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1841 - Ireland
Mary Watson Daughter - Female 7 1864 Scholar Wigtownshire, Scotland
Alexander Carnochran Visitor Unmarried Male 19 1852 Engineer (fitter) Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland
WATSON
MARY ANDREW
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1864
891 / 6 Leswalt (added, this child is the illegitimate daughter of Andrew's daughter Margaret)
1861-Labourer's House, Leswalt (Landward), Wigtownshire, Scotland
Andrew Watson - Married Male 47 1814 Labourer Ireland
Mary Watson - Married Female 50 1811 - Ireland
James Watson - Unmarried Male 19 1842 Cabinetmaker ap Portpatrick, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Watson - - Female 14 1847 Scholar Portpatrick, Wigtownshire, Scotland
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Info only, Mary Watson wife of Andrew died 12th March 1868 aged 57. Her parents recorded as David Kennedy (hand loom weaver) and Grace McConnell. Son James recorded her death.
Andrew Watson died 7th May 1871, son James recorded death. NO details of parents on record.
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very kind of you to use your own credits and £ to view the death images on Scotland's People
Andrew's death https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GJ-L1Y5
James's baptism https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMMG-TN1 22 Aug 1841 Portpatrick Old Parish Registers [no entry for daughter Elizabeth or son Andrew]
1851 census Main Street, Portpatrick
Andrew Watson Head 36 1815 Ag lab Ireland
Mary Watson Wife 40 1811 Seamstress Ireland
Margaret Daughter 12 1839 Scholar Ireland
James Watson Son 9 1842 Scholar Portpatrick
Andrew Watson Son 7 1844 Scholar Portpatrick
E J J Watson Daughter 4 1847 - Portpatrick
1841 census South Crescent, Portpatrick
Andrew Watson 26 1815 Labourer Ireland
Mary Watson 28 1813 - Ireland
Margaret 2 1839 - Ireland
female Watson 3 weeks - Wigtownshire [must be James if baptised Aug 41]