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I have the above mentioned in the family of Arthur John Denton on 1901 census with a birthdate of 1895 Kingsland Middlesex and described as son.
Arthur John Denton married Esther Cuthbert 1899 Poplar London
I cannot find a birth registration for Arthur T despite using various spellings etc. I have discounted the 1897 Kensington birth as it is a different family.
My suspicion is that he is the son of Arthur John's sister Charlotte who had 2 other children prior to her marriage to Arthur Primmeth 1903, both in Arthur's household in 1911 as Denton stepchildren
Dorothy Denton registered under mothers maiden name of Denton 1900
Ivy Denton registered under mothers maiden name of Elliss 1902
(Elliss is the maiden name of Charlotte's mother Emma, I think it unlikely Emma at 61 was the mother)
Perhaps there is no registration or baptism, but any help would be greatly appreciated
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Did you notice that on the 1911 census, Arthur (senior) records that he and Esther had been married for 18 years?
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Had Esther been previously married :-\
There is this birth have you discounted it
CUTHBERT, ARTHUR THOMAS mmn BEACH
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 61
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I think this is may be the birth of the Denton's second child with maiden name listed as Cuthbert :-\
DENTON, EDITH LAURA CUTHBERT
GRO Ref: 1901 M Qter BETHNAL GREEN Vol 01C Page 250
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Had Esther been previously married :-\
There is this birth have you discounted it
CUTHBERT, ARTHUR THOMAS mmn BEACH
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 61
There is something odd about this birth though.
I cannot find a Beach Cuthbert marriage.
Nor any other Cuthbert/Beach births
Denton Cuthbert image is on ancestry. Esther is a spinster.
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Yes - Rosie got the right person - Mother Edith Cuthbert formerly Beach
- French Polisher
Father listed as Arthur Cuthbert -French Polisher
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Per the 1911 census, Arthur & Esther were married 18 years, had 4 children of which two were still living. We know about Arthur Thomas and Edith - who were the other two children?
Oddly, that 4-2-2 entry after Arthur's name has been crossed through and entered below against Esther's name.
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Whew, thanks for all the responses :)
Shaunj, I had missed that, perhaps they had a common law relationship until the official marriage??
still doesn't explain the lack of registration though ??? still trying to resolve the other 2 children more delving ;D
Rosie99 & Kay99, Arthur Cuthbert is possibly Esther's brother b.1866 to Edward & Elizabeth Cuthbert Bethnal Green as listed on the 1881 Census, the french polishing is an interesting link as that trade follows through the whole Denton line
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I should have said that the birth date listed on Arthur Thomas Cuthbert's birth cert is 28 May 1894 which ties in well with an Arthur T Denton with the same birth date on the 1939 Register who was lodging at Weybridge, Surrey
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Kay99, is it possible that the Arthur Cuthbert on the birth cert was actually Arthur Denton and did Esther give a false christian name ?? also the Arthur Denton 1939 is lodging with his Aunt (or possible mother?) sister of Arthur John Denton
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Rosie99 & Kay99, Arthur Cuthbert is possibly Esther's brother b.1866 to Edward & Elizabeth Cuthbert Bethnal Green as listed on the 1881 Census, the french polishing is an interesting link as that trade follows through the whole Denton line
Esthers brother Arthur J Cuthbert was a Chairmaker or Cabinet maker depending on which census you look at.
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Kay99, is it possible that the Arthur Cuthbert on the birth cert was actually Arthur Denton and did Esther give a false christian name ?? also the Arthur Denton 1939 is lodging with his Aunt (or possible mother?) sister of Arthur John Denton
I think that the mother Esther got confused when she registered the birth as she was not married to Arthur Denton and therefore used her maiden name as their surname. If this was the case no idea where the name Beach came from
I also noticed a London School Admissions and Discharges Year Books that mention an Arthur Denton with the same birth date and father Arthur
Arthur Denton
Age 5
Birth Date 28 May 1894
Admission Date 3 Jul 1899
School Olga Street School Tower Hamlets
Father Arthur Denton