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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 07 September 25 09:41 BST (UK)
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Wondering if anyone can find my friend’s grandfather, Gwilym Owen Thomas, on the 1921 census please. He was born in Tranmere (registered in Birkenhead, Cheshire) on 2 June 1906, to William Thomas, stonemason (journeyman) and Catherine Ann, formerly Jones (born in Llanbeblig around 1880). Family know he was orphaned when quite young, but believe he was brought up by an aunt in the Menai Bridge area.
I’ve found him (as Gwillym O Thomas aged 5) with his widowed father William (born around 1873 in Carnarvon) in 1911, at 439 Carnarvon Rd, Bangor.
Catherine Ann died on 28 May 1908 in Llanllechid, Bangor.
I can’t find a likely death for William in the area, and sadly no marriage either to confirm his father. Nor can i find Gwilym in 1921, hence this post. Tried all options i can think of.
Gwilym married Elizabeth Blodwen Owen in St Mary’s church, Llantysilio - Menai Bridge, on 26 Nov 1935, Gwilym living at 42 High Street, Llandysilio, at the time.
Any help much appreciated, thanks.
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Hi Deirdre
Have a look for Gwendolyn Thomas, age 15, nephew, at 6 Cann Road, Menai Bridge he is with an Edwards family. Image is Gwilym. (On Anc*)
If you have access - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/63151/records/35879346
Added - looks likely him as gives pob as Rock Ferry Chester, which is near Tranmere.
Cas
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This looks like the marriage of the family he is with, so could likely be an Aunt.
Marriages Jun 1914
EDWARDS Griffith J - Jones Bangor 11b 806
Jones Elizabeth M - Edwards Bangor 11b 806
Cas
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That’s fantastic, thanks so much Cas. Been tearing my hair out with all options i could think of, ploughing through no first name just surname, both parents dead, but nothing 🙁 the marriage looks great too, will add to tree now. Phew, thanks again.
Just his father’s death to find now, though listed as nephew doesn’t guarantee that his father is dead of course.
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Just realised that I hadn’t tried nephew 🙄
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Just posting incase relevant..
1921 for Aunt had pob as Arthog, Merionethshire. Looked it up as had not heard of it, came across this census
1891 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6897/records/569255
1891 - Ynyscynhaiarn, Portmadoc, Caernarvonshire
William Jones 65 Head Denbighshire
Elizabeth Jones 55 Wife, Merionethshire
Elizabeth M Jones 14 Daughter Arthog, Merionethshire
Catherine A Jones 12 Daughter, Arthog
Thomas Jones 67 Father-in-law, Caernarvonshire
I know age is out for Elizabeth Mary, but husband in 1921 was younger. She may have shaved a few years.
1881 - Dolgelley, Merionethshire
William Jones 65 Head Denbighshire
Elizabeth Jones 45 Wife, Merionethshire
Eliza M. Jones 4 Daughter "
Catherine A. Jones 2 Daughter "
Likely birth reg under Dolgelley for both girls with mmn Jones. Which would fit the birth months + 11 for Elizabeth from 1921 (but there are many Jones)
JONES, ELIZABETH MARY mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 427
JONES, CATHERINE ANN mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 431
Just a few thoughts
Cas
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That does all look promising Cas, thanks for sharing. The family initially thought Gwilym was brought up by his father’s sister but that didn’t work after you found the 1921. I hadn’t been able to decipher Arthog but did look for anything in Merionethshire. But have found EMJ and husband Griffith (sadly their son was captured by the Japanese in March 1942, released in September 1945, but returned to Anglesey, married, and died there aged 78). Griffith had died in 1940; EM died in 1943, not knowing if her son was alive as he was listed as missing for all those years :(
Apart from Catherine Ann’s age at death (28 in 1908) and not finding a marriage, i was struggling, though found a possible birth and baptism in Llanbeblig, but no sister EM. So many Joneses :(
Thanks again, great help :)
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There is this possible, with others same page. 1891 the family are in the Festiniog reg area, not searched 1901..she could have returned to marry if they stayed in area.? Not sure if this couple married each other, so long shot.
Marriages Jun 1903
Jones Kate Ann Festiniog 11b 705
Jones Maggie Festiniog 11b 705
Jones Margaret Festiniog 11b 705
Thomas William Festiniog 11b 705
Williams Robert Festiniog 11b 705
Also death for William Thomas would likely be 1911 - 1921. There is a possible Dec Q 1918 Bangor Reg district, b1871. (If he stayed in area) 1921 Griffith Edwards wrote 3 children dependant under 16, so likely father not alive.
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You are amazing, thanks again Cas. The family believe Gwilym lost both parents when he was very young (possibly before he was 8) but no likely death using that timeframe. The marriage looks promising though, will see if a parish records exists. So much cheaper than a marriage certificate. I have bought a few of the digital death images, but 2 possible deaths were wrong, will go for that 1918 one once I’ve tracked CA and family in 1901.
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Sadly the 1918 one isn’t him either. Builder’s labourer so possible i guess, but informant was a daughter Jane.
There is a Kate Jones, servant, born Arthog, in Llanbedr, Festininog, in 1901.
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Looks a good possible for 1901. Arthog does not look that big a built up area
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llangelynin/StCatherine2
Need to pop out BBL
Cas
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Thanks Cas, may have to bite the bullet on that marriage.
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William had gone from 429 Carnarvon Rd by 1916 as there's a roll of honour entry in a newspaper for a Hugh Hughes of that address
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Thanks Mabel :)
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There is this possible, with others same page. 1891 the family are in the Festiniog reg area, not searched 1901..she could have returned to marry if they stayed in area.? Not sure if this couple married each other, so long shot.
Marriages Jun 1903
Jones Kate Ann Festiniog 11b 705
Jones Maggie Festiniog 11b 705
Jones Margaret Festiniog 11b 705
Thomas William Festiniog 11b 705
Williams Robert Festiniog 11b 705
Apart from that marriage there is one in Apr-June 1906 in Carnarvon for William Thomas and Catherine Jones. Civil marriage according to North Wales BMD. Tempted to think it’s a better match (she was Catherine A at birth, Catherine Ann on birth of son Gwilym and her death) than the Kate A, though Gwilym was born on 2 Jun 1906 in Birkenhead. Any thoughts 🤔