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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Jan Prit on Friday 05 September 25 03:02 BST (UK)
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Hello Everyone, I am having trouble with my ancestor Ellen Cardwell, born/bap 28/9/1783 St. Chad Poulton Le Flyde parents Robert and Betty. I have been seaching on FindMyPast found her alive in the 1851 Census with her husband Richard Smith and his siblings. She married Richard Smith on the 20/4/1803 St. Chad Poulton Le Flyde he was from the Parish of Bispham, Ellen from this parish of Poulton Le Flyde. Witness Betty Smith and John Hull. I found a lot of Ellen Cardwell listed, but having trouble finding her burial date. This family has become hard to find. Also came across Richard a widower, in another Census. The 1851 census somehow looks correct with Ellen and his siblings. :-[
Would love help if possible.
Janet :-\
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In 1851 were Richard and Ellen with his brother Thomas and sister Peggy living at Norbreck, Bispham, Lancashire?
I found possible burials for Richard and Peggy in the Bispham parish records
Richard Smith Age 76
Burial 8 Oct 1852 Bispham, Lancashire
Residence - Norbeck
Peggy Smith Age 76
Burial 15 April 1855
Residence - Norbrick
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This looks like Ellen's burial
Ellen Smith Age 84
Burial 13 May 1860 Bispham, Lancashire
Residence - Poulton le Fylde' crossed through and replaced with Norbreck.
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Hello Kay99 thanks for your help so much. I am sure that Richard and Ellen were with his brother Thomas and sister Peggy she didn't marry. I have a death certificate of Richard Smith aged 74 Husbandman on the 29/7/1852 Butt's Hill Thornton died of consumption. Its hard to find the right one as their is so many on Lancashire Parish Registers online. :-[
Thanks again,
Janet :-[
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I think this must be the GRO death cert for the burial record I posted for Richard Smith
SMITH, RICHARD 76
GRO Ref: 1852 D Qrter FYLDE Vol 08E Page 351
and this is Ellen
SMITH, ELLEN 84
GRO Ref: 1860 J Qrter FYLDE Volume 08E Page 371
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Thanks again Kay99 found Richard's burial date on Lancashire Project online but not Ellen's. Her death details were the GRO ref: 1860 J Qrter Volume 08E page 371. Can you order these records online through the GRO. :-[
Janet :-\
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You can get the death cert on the GRO site and digital images are available to view onliine for the price of £3
I found Ellen's burial on the Lanc Parish Clerks site as well so will look for it again
Kay
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This is Ellen's burial on the Lancs Parish Clerk site - I seached Ellen Smith burial 1860 and it was the 9th result
"Burial: 13 May 1860 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancashire
Ellen Smith -
Age: 84 years
Abode: Norbreck
Buried By: C. Smith, Offng. Minister
Notes: [Abode 'Poulton le Fylde' crossed through and replaced with Norbreck.]
Register: Burials 1813 - 1871, Page 79, Entry 628"
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Thanks again Kay99 for your help, I found both Richard and Ellen Smith where they were buried online, the same site, no Stone or grave markings at all, no tombstone etc. I love your cat photo. :-[
Janet :'(
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Thanks. Sadly Bix in the photo died 4 years ago at about 20 but is still missed. He was as laid back as he looks :)
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Thanks Kay99. I found find Richard Smith on the 41 Census he was a widower, living with other people. I will look again. :-[
Janet :-\
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I think this is your Richard and family in 1841 living at Norbreck, Bispham, Fylde All born Lancashire
Thomas Smith50 Husbandman
Peggy Smith 60 Ditto?
Richard Smith 65 Ditto
Ellin Smith 65
Alice Smith 40 FS
Jane Smith 5
Kay
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Hello Kay99 this is the one 1841 census I have saved okay. I am hoping its the right family. Yesterday I did another search on Parish Registers online lancashire typing in the parents Richard and Ellen, to see what children they had together. The Thomas Smith my ancestor wasn't shown only another Thomas born/bap 21/12/1809. My ancestor Thomas Smith bap.29/3/1822 St. Chad Poulton-Le-Fylde, Lancashire Abode Thornton, Occupation: Labourer son of Richard Smith & Ellen. Thomas migrated to Australia onboard the Vessel Hope which was built I think in Blackpool Lancashire. He settled in Penrith and built a similiar version of the house he lived in, Thornton Hall a beautiful home near Penrith you can only see it by rail. But thanks to my other ancestor Laura Player (who lives in Perth) has saved this home, with a large verandah, tall ceilings and polished floors, from being pulled down. Thomas Smith then married a Jane Laimbeer who also came out to Australia as a servant to a Minister, on the 6/3/1843 St. Bartholomew Church of England. He was 74 when he died. Jane died 26/6/1899 (75) Thornton Hall Penrith N.S.W. They are buried together in the same church grounds. They named a Street after Jane. I need to find more records of this couple, I lost a lot of files when my computer was hacked twice at the beginning of the year. Maybe some of the files will be on the windows 10. Have a good weekend. :-[
Janet :-\
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How wonderful to know so much about your family. You may already have this but I attach a newspaper clipping from 10 July 1841 Preston Pilot re the auction of estates in Thornton near Poulton-le-Fylde which included Thornton Hall
Kay
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Afternoon Kay99, thanks for the lovely photo. It is amazing what you find when you are searching. I tried to log into laura Player (nee Smith) it's sad she lives in Perth and gets around in a wheel chair mobile I think. Thanks to her she saved Thornton Hall House here in Penrith, and now it has been completely restored to the original. With a family in a drawn horse sulky outside the home. :-[
Janet :-[
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Thanks again for your help Kay99, I did have someone searching for me a long time ago with Richard Smith and Ellen ancestors and their result and decision were different. I tried to purchase the Death certificates from the GRO UK this morning. I had no luck, I am sure I filled in the form correctly. :-X
Janet :-\
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Morning Janet
Can you post brief details of the previous research and which death certs you were trying to buy for Richard and Ellen? Were you trying to buy the certs on the GRO site?
Kay
Added - Sorry the death certs - presumably the death certs I mentioned in Reply 4 previously
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I find the easiest way to buy a cert on the GRO site is to find it on the Search the GRO indexes page https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results
With certs of these years you should have the option to buy a digital image of the cert for £3
Kay
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Hello Kay99 thanks for your reply sorry I am a bother, I had to register again to the GRO, with a different email and password. I filled in the form with Ref. year date etc. Name. I also searched online on Freereg to confirm the numbers were correct. I will try your way later, time for dinner, thanks again. I have also joined the Lancashire Family History page. I would love to connect to the Richard Smith ancestors for the latest news. :-[
Janet :-[
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Hello Kay99 I tried again yesterday to purchase the death certificates on Richard and Ellen, somehow Flyde doesn't come up for area. No luck again, this time I sent them an email. I have never had trouble before on this site. :-[
Janet :'(