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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: tropicalj on Tuesday 02 September 25 22:56 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out some details for George John Innes born 1909 to Andrew James Innes and Elziabeth Pirie. The birth certificate states illegitimate. Andrew came to Australia, married and died here. Elizabeth and young George are on the 1911, 1921,census living with her family. There was an email sent to a city in Australia from an Albert Innes looking for information on his grandfather Andrew Inness. So this indicates that George had a child called Albert.
Did Elzabeth Pirie marry? Did George Marry or cohabit and have children.
George John Innes died in 1991 mother listed as Pirie Turriff.
Will the death certificate show children? Would a local newspaper carry death or funeral details?
Any help appreciated
Regards Jenny
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Re marriage for Elizabeth. You need to look on Scotlands People from 1921 as she was unmarried at that time. If no marriage found - look for a death.
Re George - use SP to search for a marriage/death
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk The index is free but you need to buy credits to download any of the certs
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Thank you , this is my first time using into Scotland' People
Regards Jenn
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It's a good site but it's not a subscription site so you have to buy credits if you want to download any marriage or birth certs
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Assuming George married in Aberdeen there is a possible marriage in 1933 in Turriff & a possible birth of a son in 1946
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Elizabeth and young George are on the 1911, 1921,census living with her family.
What were the names of her parents? Were there any siblings listed in either census?
There was an email sent to a city in Australia from an Albert Innes looking for information on his grandfather Andrew Inness. So this indicates that George had a child called Albert.
How do you know that Andrew Innes didn't have any other children who could have been the father of Albert?
Did Elzabeth Pirie marry? Did George Marry or cohabit and have children.
George John Innes died in 1991 mother listed as PiriE St Turriff.
You would need to get a copy of his death certificate, which should name his parents, including his mother's married name if she did marry, and his wife/wives. You can't see this online as it's less than 50 years ago, but you can order a copy from Scotland's People.
Will the death certificate show children?
No.
Would a local newspaper carry death or funeral details?
It might, but accessing it online may not be easy as it's relatively recent. The most likely newspaper would be the Aberdeen Press and Journal, or maybe the Turriff Advertiser.
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George John Innes died 1991 Turriff - mmn Pirie
(sorry - already shown in reply above)
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Searching SP from 1921 & using Turriff as the Reg District shows an Elizabeth Jane Pirie marriage in 1921 to a James Ironside
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George's birth was registered in Marnoch - Banffshire.
What birthplace is given on the 1911/1921 censuses? What is Elizabeths birthyear & birthplace plus mothers maiden name
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Yes born Harper Hill, Marnoch.
Mother born Alvah? 1890 parents George and Margaret. Having a bit of trouble reading it. Regards Jenn
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Elizabeth and young George are on the 1911, 1921,census living with her family.
What were the names of her parents? Were there any siblings listed in either census?
Parents George and Margaret Pirie Farmer
Siblings Anne, Alexander, John
There was an email sent to a city in Australia from an Albert Innes looking for information on his grandfather Andrew Inness. So this indicates that George had a child called Albert.
How do you know that Andrew Innes didn't have any other children who could have been the father of Albert?
He left Scotland in 1909 no record or any other obvious children
Did Elzabeth Pirie marry? Did George Marry or cohabit and have children.
George John Innes died in 1991 mother listed as PiriE St Turriff.
You would need to get a copy of his death certificate, which should name his parents, including his mother's married name if she did marry, and his wife/wives. You can't see this online as it's less than 50 years ago, but you can order a copy from Scotland's People.
Will the death certificate show children?
No.
Would a local newspaper carry death or funeral details?
It might, but accessing it online may not be easy as it's relatively recent. The most likely newspaper would be the Aberdeen Press and Journal, or maybe the Turriff Advertiser.
Thanks
Does the death certificate state where buried please
Regards ajenn
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Death certs do not have burial details
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For reference - 1891 for Banffshire - all born there. Margaret was nee Andrew - marriage 1873
George Pirie 37
Margaret 39
Ann 19
James 17
George 16
Alexander 12
Margaret 9
John 4
Elizabeth1
1901 still in Banffshire (Elisabeth) - additional child Mary aged 7
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Elizabeth Jane Pirie or Ironside died in Old Meldrum in 1971 aged 77. You can view this certificate online. It will tell you the full names of both her parents including her mother's maiden surname.
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How do you know that Andrew Innes didn't have any other children who could have been the father of Albert?
He left Scotland in 1909 no record or any other obvious children
That doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't have any! :)
However .... a George John Innes married Jeanie Smith in Turriff in 1933. You can view the marriage certificate, which will tell you the couple's ages and the full names of both sets of parents, including their mothers' maiden surnames and any other surnames.
There are three births of Innes children in Turriff with mother's maiden surname Smith
Elizabeth Mary, 1935; George William, 1939; and Albert Henry, 1946. You can't view these online as they are all less than 100 years ago, but you can order copies from SP. It's also possible that there were more children whose mother's maiden surname was not found in the search I did.
George William Innes, mother's surname Smith, died in Huntly in 2019 aged 79. There is a brief announcement in the Aberdeen Press and Journal of 3 December 2019: "INNES Very suddenly, at Dawson Court, Turriff, on Tuesday, November 26, 2019, George (Dod) Innes, aged 79 years, a brother, father, grandfather and friend. Funeral at Royal British Legion, Turriff, on Friday, December 6, at 11.30am, thereafter to Turriff Cemetery (bowling club car park gate). All friends respectfully invited. Family flowers only."
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Thank you for that information.
I am feeling, without proof, That Albert Henry Innes could very well be the Albert I am looking for.
The email he has sent was in 2013 so it possible he is still alive as he would be 79 years old.
He included an email which I responded but no answer and a phone number, but sadly no actual address.
I should state that I am doing this research for my good friend whose grandfather was James Inness after he came to Australia.
Regards Jenn
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Yes, it looks fairly likely that he is your man.
There is no matching death registration so far in Scotland, so either he is still living or, if he has died, he didn't die in Scotland.
What were the first four digits of the phone number after the zero?
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Hi
1224
Regards Jenn
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Hi
Aberdeen std code
yours Aye
BruceL
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That means that he lived in Aberdeen at that time.
The attached looks relevant.
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That means that he lived in Aberdeen at that time.
The attached looks relevant.
Thanks very much, very interesting regards Jenn
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For research purposes here in Australia, we can access the National Arvices of Australia and search war records.
Does the UK also have this research tool so as I can see if George served in WWw2
Regards Jenn
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Hi All
There is a record for a George Innes in the National Archives at Kew'
War Office Infantry over age other ranks : service records.
G Innes service number 2873426 date of birth 28 March 1909 Ref Number WO 422/30426
Armed Forces (General Administration) Army Conflict Operations, battles and campaigns.
Perhaps one of the moderators could put a link to this on the WW2 board and perhaps some of the experts there could have a look for you to see if it says anything else.
Failing that if this is your man you would have to pay to find his service records if this is your man.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks you Bleckie, that is his date of birth
Very helpfull
Regards Jenn
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I had contacted a man of Ancestery who had George William Innes in his tree.
His wife was related to his wife.
He tells me the family know Albert Henry Innes, 79 years old, is still alive and living in Aberdeen, but no knowledge of where.
So the search continue
Any ideas of how I could find him
Regards Jenn
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HI
You could ask the local paper if they would post a notice
Yours Aye
BruceL
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HI
You could ask the local paper if they would post a notice
Yours Aye
BruceL
Thanks kindky
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He's not listed in the Aberdeen telephone directory, I'm afraid.
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He's not listed in the Aberdeen telephone directory, I'm afraid.
Thanks for looking it's is appreciated
Regards Jenn