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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: lambre on Monday 01 September 25 18:15 BST (UK)
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I am trying to track down Timothy Baylay 1710-1785 of Stoke Damerel, near Plymouth. I had been looking for a shipwright as his son Richard married the daughter of one, but the counterpart of a lease of 1756 describes him as an innkeeper. His will is nowhere to be found, not in National Archives and Devon Archives suggests it might have been destroyed in the war. He was connected with the building of St Aubyn Chapel. Has anyone got any information or ideas ?
lambre
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if you can access Findmypast, there are several records under his name from 'Devon, Plymouth & West Devon Parish Chest Records'. They appear to be connected to the building of St Aubyn Chapel. The meetings were in his house, the Kings Arms, Fore Street, Plymouth Dock, Stoke Damerel.
One of the records from 1792 mentions the will & probate of Timothy. Under the terms of the will, John Baylay, the executor and residuary legatee, inherited seat no. 46 on the ground floor of the chapel. John made an indenture with Charles Jolly, shipwright, and John Gilbert, butcher, which assigned the seat to them.
Some info here on the Devon Wills Project
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/DevonWillsProject/Article-DFH
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some of the records also on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBD-1HLH?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBD-1MD3?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBD-1C7B?lang=en
Burial in 1785
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCSM-Y95?lang=en
Marriage licence for Timothy & Betty Chapperlin, both of Tamerton Foliot
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGY9-26WQ?lang=en
baptism of son John in 1743
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XL-JMG?lang=en
and another in 1744, so first John presumably died
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWF5-HPJ?lang=en
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Dear osprey, infinite thanks for your most informative reply, splendid to know the name of Timothy's inn. The marriage between Timothy and Betty puzzles me, as I have Elizabeth Trenizon as his wife, although I have not been able to confirm this. I will follow up all your clues.
lambre
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This snippet comes up on Google Books:
....Timothy Bayley known by the name or Sign of the Kings Arms in Plymouth Dock and proof was duly made before us on Oath and otherwise That Notice in Writing was fixed up at the Dock Gate of his Majesty's Yard and at the Town Hall of the ...
Page 233 of "The Case of Requisition
In Re a Petition of Right of De Keyser's Royal Hotel Limited. De Keyser's Royal Hotel Limited V. the King
By Leslie Frederic Scott, Sir Leslie Frederic Scott, Alfred Hildesley · 1920"
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Thank ou very much indeed for that snippet. I had looked on Google Books but only under the name of Baylay, which of course was very likely to have spelling differences. Naive of me !
lambre
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If you compare the signature on the marriage bond and the one here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CB6-99F1?lang=en
looks a match considering the 40 odd years in between.
This is the piece which refers to his will
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CB6-QKHN?lang=en
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Is this the same Timothy BAYLEY?:
June 12, 1769 - June 14, 1769
Publication: Whitehall Evening Post
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That is so kind of you, but although it would be fascinating to find such an esoteric side to my ancestor I fear it is a different man. I imagine that for astronomers his name would have been spelt correctly. But I am very grateful for your interest
lambre
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Two dates for Timothy Baylay at the King's Arms/Old King's Arms: he was there in 1766, but had left by mid 1780.
9 June 1766: Sherborne Mercury
This is to give Notice, That on Monday the 23d Day of this Instant June, at Three o'Clock in the Afternoon, a Survey will be held at the House of Timothy Baylay, known by the Sign of the Kings Arms at Plymouth Dock, for the Selling, for a Term of 99 Years, determinable on the Deaths of three very good Lives, all that Messuage and Tenement called Clokeland, otherwise Fancy, Situate, lying and being in the Parith of Eggbuckland, in the County of Devon, now in. the Possession of Frederick Rogers, Efq; consisting of a very good new built Farm...[continues]
9 October 1780: Sherborne Mercury
Old King's Arms Inn and Tavern, Fore-foreet, Plymouth-Dock
ORLANDO LOCKYER, who lately kept the Prince George Inn, Plymouth Dock, truly sensible of the favours he hath received from his friends and the public, in the most respectful manner acknowledges himself under the greatest obligations; begs leave to inform the nobility, gentry, gentlemen travellers, and his friends in general, that he has now taken and entered upon all that large, neat, and commodious house, known by the sign of the KING'S ARMS, in the Forestreet, formerly kept with great repute by Mr. Timothy Baylay, and has elegantly fitted up the same with new furniture, laid in a proper stock of good old genuine wine; and other liquors ot all sorts: humbly solicits the continuance of. favours from his former customers; to please whom, and the public in general, will be the utmost ambition of
Their respectful, and most obliged humble servant,
ORLANDO LOCKYER.
Exceeding good stall stabling, and post-chaises, with careful drivers, at the shortest notice.
August 21, 1780.
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That's great ! Very many thanks. Timothy 70 by 1780 and ripe for retirement, with all the help I am getting, I am really starting to get a picture of him.
I am so grateful
lambre
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possible baptism for son Richard
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7D3-1QD?lang=en
Transcription from the parish register, but not the one from the BT, has residence as Devonshire.
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That is an interesting idea, and 'Elizabeth' could well be Betty. I hope you received my message yesterday, saying that the two signatures of Timothy are indeed comparable and I fully accept that Betty Chappelin was his wife. The Trenizon name came from the lot description in the Christies catalogue for the sale of Richard's portrait, which I imagine came from the family, who might also have provided the date of 1742 for Richard's birth. I found on Ancestry Marjorie Baylay who posted a number of photos, but the contact may well be too old. I will ask Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre whether they have any further information.
Warm thanks again
lambre