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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: lnr on Monday 01 September 25 08:08 BST (UK)
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Looking for Charles McLease last seen 1891 census Jarrow'Hedworth'Monkton and Jarrow,Durham,England,male,head,born ABT 1863 Ireland,spouse Catherine nuclease,children Matilda Mclease,Robert mclease. So Charles was married to Catherine maiden name also Mcleese which I can't find either on free BDM,Scot landspeople,ire genealogy,family search or ancestry Matilda was born ireland abt 1881 and aged 10 on census Robert was 5 and born ABT 1886 he was also known as Robert John Nuclease. He married Jane Melrose 1915 where it was stated that his father Charles was deceased His mother Catherine still alive.She apparently want on to marry a William Johnston as she died Govan Glasgow March 17 1940 can't quite make out if She was also stated as a Widow then for William or if he was still alive She was buried as Johnstone. Robert john was witness as soon.He died 1940 Govan just after his mother.I have looked at many other census but no luck also all types of spellings of Nuclease. what I did find was a passenger list which sounds like Catherine. 1893 ship Colander bound Colombo Madras Calcutta 30th January. Mrs Lady Mcleece33,master 8,miss9 was she going over there to meet Charles, did he die over by there and she met William and married him there .can't find death of Charles or marriage of Catherine& William Matilda has also been unable to be found if Charles was on jail would that have come up in the 1901thanks lnr
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According to 1891 census
Charles looks to have been born abt 1853 (not 1863)
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Perhaps this 1881 birth for Matilda (Ann) in Dervock, Ballymoney
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1881/02832/2038197.pdf
Father is recorded as Charles, mother Catherine McAllese
The birth of Robert John McAllese in 1885 in Ballymoney
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1885/02628/1969450.pdf
Father is Charles, with address is Knockanboy.
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Have you looked at the possible marriage for Matilda McAleese to Andrew Munro in 1915 in Govan, Scotland?
... and her Death in Govan in 1950.
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Yes I have looked at Matildas marriage now thanks but don't think that Charles mcleese death in Ballymoney is ours as didn't have a son Charles who was the witness and he was also dead before 1915 according to Robert Mcleese marriage would like to find both of catheines marriages thanks nr
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It is possible Catherine was never married.
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The birth of Robert John McAllese in 1885 in Ballymoney
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1885/02628/1969450.pdf
Father is Charles, with address is Knockanboy.
Robert John was born in Knockanboy not Ballymoney (Ballymoney is merely the registration district and Dervock is the sub-district) and the surname is McAleece here (not McAllese).
It is possible Catherine was never married.
Equally possible her maiden name was McAleece as it is an extremely common name in the area.
Just posting in case there turns out to be a connection. Marriage of Hugh McAleese of Knockanboy to a Catherine McAleese of Dervock in 1873-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11283/8139262.pdf
Another variation (one of many) of the surname is McLees (it needs to be searched separately on Irish Geneaology).
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Just posting in case there turns out to be a connection. Marriage of Hugh McAleese of Knockanboy to a Catherine McAleese of Dervock in 1873-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11283/8139262.pdf
Yes aghadowey. I did notice that marriage, and the various children born to the couple, and wondered about a connection. I haven't taken it further as so far Inr appears reluctant to engage in communication.
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Big error in original post (I did wonder about the name)-
Looking for Charles McLease last seen 1891 census Jarrow'Hedworth'Monkton and Jarrow,Durham,England,male,head,born ABT 1863 Ireland,spouse Catherine nuclease,children Matilda Mclease,Robert mclease. So Charles was married to Catherine maiden name also Mcleese which I can't find either on free BDM,Scot landspeople,ire genealogy,family search or ancestry Matilda was born ireland abt 1881 and aged 10 on census Robert was 5 and born ABT 1886 he was also known as Robert John Nuclease. He married Jane Melrose 1915 where it was stated that his father Charles was deceased His mother Catherine still alive.She apparently want on to marry a William Johnston as she died Govan Glasgow March 17 1940 can't quite make out if She was also stated as a Widow then for William or if he was still alive She was buried as Johnstone. Robert john was witness as soon.He died 1940 Govan just after his mother....
Death on Scotland's People-
MCALEASE ROBERT JOHN, age 54, 1940 Govan, 644 / 17 / 670
Marriage is also MCALEASE.
Exactly what details are on Catherine's death registration?
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Sorry abt spelling mistakes in surnames also not reluctant to communicate but my computor is playing up deaths district of Govan Glasgow Catherine Johnstone widow of 1 Charles McAleese gardener 2nd William Johnstone,flax dresser 1940 march 17th Fairfield st Glasgow,79 Y ears,father John Mcaleese farm servant Dec mother Rose McLeese msDocherty Dec miocardis,chronic bronchitis as cert Evelyn Annie Weyman informant Robert McAleese son 38 Fairfield st Glasgow. So according to this would you say she was a widow twice by her death or William Johnston is still alive.cant find his death as spelling of Johnston/e also tricky one. 1915 marriage of Matilda McAleese 30th June StAnthonys Chapel Govan Glasgow banns Roman Catholic church. Andrew Munro rivetter journeyman widower aged 40 47 white st Glasgow Duncan Munro father winchman Dec mother Mary Munro ms Alexander Dec. Matilda Mcaleese 33 spinster 47 white st Govan Glasgow( f)Charles McAleese commercial traveller Dec mother Catherine McAleese ms DOCHERTY Angus Munro,Mary Ann Finlay witness
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Valuation Rolls
1905 Mrs Catherine Johnstone at 38 Fairfield St Govan
1915, 1920, 1925, 1930, 1935 Mrs Catherine Johnstone at 17 Fairfield St Govan
1920, 1925, 1930, 1935, 1940 Robert McAleese 38 Fairfield St Govan
1911 census Govan Ref - 646/2 71/ 4 Catherine Johnston seems to be alone. You would need to look at the record to see if it says she was a widow.
I believe this is them in 1901
1901 census 12 Shaw Street Govan
William Johnston 40 born Dundee Hemp dresser
Catherine Johnston 40 wife born Ireland
Robert Johnston 13 son born Ireland
This would indicate they were living together as a “married” couple from 1901.
No obvious marriage in Scotland, so again I suggest that perhaps they did not marry.
Inr, I find your posts most difficult to read and understand, because you do not use any stops, commas, capitals or logical sentence structure. They are also full of errors, which adds to my confusion. Please excuse me if I give up trying to assist.
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I had a look at the 1911 census she was classed as a Widow she also had a child with her aged 7 years Called Catherine TRIM Larnark Govan relative. Looked up scots people no birth for this person Thanks for your help it is always very much appreciated.
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My guess - this will be the child's birth. An illegitimate daughter of Matilda?
MCALEES
CATHERINE DOCHE
F
1904
646 / 2 / 118
Govan
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I had a look at the 1911 census she was classed as a Widow she also had a child with her aged 7 years Called Catherine TRIM Larnark Govan relative. Looked up scots people no birth for this person
No, another error. She is called Catherine FINN
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She died in Govan in 1926 (age 22)
Death Certificate
CATHERINE FINN
age 22
Mother - MCALEESE
F
1926
644 / 21 / 485
Govan
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Yes couldnt quite read the word Finn as quite faint on census record. Catherine Docherty FINN illigt born dec 31st 24 Fairfield st Govan Larnark Father James FINN Dock Lab Mother Matida McAleese Housekeeper, formerly rope maker. Death Catherine FINN formerly life bouy Worker 1926 April 22nd, 17 Fairfeild st Govan Lanark Father James Finn (DEC) mother Matilda Finn now MUNRO formerly Mcaleese. gastric ulcer 5 mths,anorexia 5 mths informant Matilda Munro mother 24 Fairfield st Govan Glasgow
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I am sorry but have still not found out what happened Charles Mclease. He seems to have disappeared after the 1891 census when they were in England Thanks lnr