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Would like some thoughts on the following scenario if anyone can think of anything.
Thank you.
I have a family called Banks in the 1870/80s. Dad Benjamin married Harriet Maria Hill in 1869 Portsmouth, and their 4 children were born in India as dad was in the military. One child Lucy, died in India. The rest of the family must have then moved back to England and Benjamin died in 1879, Portsmouth.
2 of their children, Violet and Constance were listed as being in "the nursery" on the 1881 census and were then put into Portsea Workhouse in 1883 by their mother Harriet. The other child Mabel was on the 1881 census living in Curry Rivell Somerset with a Christiana Champion and is listed as "nurse child" next to relation to head of house.
I am unable to find anymore info on Harriet, and can't find her on any census. And and thoughts or suggestions as to why Mabel would have been separated from her 2 sisters and moved from Portsmouth to Somerset?. I can find no link between Mabel and Christiana.
Thank you for taking the time to read.
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Good description of the function of The Nursery here
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/6108c1ad-8464-45ce-9ce7-c936d194da36
Perhaps it did close, and Harriet had no other choice to get some shelter and food for the girls. I would think she probably paid a small amount to the one looking after the youngest as a l nurse child”
But I agree! It’s a very long way between Portsea and Curry Rivel.
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Thank you. That makes very interesting reading.
I will continue to search for any links and also further information on Harriet :)
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I am unable to find anymore info on Harriet, and can't find her on any census.
What was her approximate date of birth and her father's name - presumably you have this information from the 1869 marriage certificate?
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On the marriage certificate they are both of full age, which doesn't help. Dad's were Jonathan Banks and Charles Cambridge Hill.
Thank you
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There’s a Harriet Maria baptised 1847 Trowbridge Wilts with father Charles mother Eliza.
That would make her full age in 1869.
In 1861 there’s a Harriet Hill 14 from Wilts servant in Portsea
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There is evidence Harriet actually returned from India is there? Just wondering if she died there and there might be a listing in deaths abroad?
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Thank you. That could possibly be Harriets baptism, spelt with an O which is why I struggled. I will look into that more.
No I have no evidence she returned to India. The last I have on her is when she left 2 of her children in the nursery in 1883.
Thank you for your help 🙂
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Not sure if Trowbridge Harriet is right or not but in 1891 Harriet Banks widow is nurse 43 with a Charlotte Hill widow as head in Fulham.
Looking more closely this is listed as a private lunatic asylum.
Peterborough House Kings Road
Have a look and see what you think.
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Possible death in 1901 Lambeth.
1881 again in London as a domestic St Geo Hanover Square - Buckingham Palace Road no less.
Is that likely though if she was elsewhere in 1883 on a workhouse record :-\
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I dont think she was in the workhouse in 1883, i can only see that she left 2 of her children there :(
This gives me so much more to work on. Thank you again.
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Marriage
21 May 1898 - Parish of Goodworth Clatford, Southampton
Harriet Banks age 51 - Widow - Father Charles Hill - Weaver -
Spouse
Henry Hayter age 53 Widower Water Keeper Father Thomas Haytor - Gardener
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Ooohh ok. That's interesting. Thank you. Lots to go over now :-\
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1901 Living at Goodworth Clatford and still there in 1911/21
Henry Hayter 57 B Southampton Water Keeper Gamek?
Harriet Hayter 53 Wife b Trowbridge, Wilts
Added - in 1921 her second name is listed as Maria :)
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HAYTER, HARRIETT MARIA 83
GRO Ref: 1931 M Qrter DROXFORD Vol 02C Page 245
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Thank you so much for your help.
Lots to digest now :)
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It is looking very much like Harriet remarried Henry Hayter but still struggling to figure out why 1 child would have been put into the care of a much older woman many miles away from the rest of the family.
On the 1881 cenus, Mabel was living with Christiana Champion in Curry Rivel. Could she have paid or been paid to do this, And were such things advertised?
Thanks again for any thoughts on this.
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In 1871 Christiana and her husband had two nurse children with living with them and both children were born in London.
As Harriet was working in London could the Champions have been recommended to her as reliable by someone living in London??
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I think the two girls lodging with the Champions in 1871 (Rose E Dyer 5 and Ethel Edwards 2) might possibly be the daughters of Hannah Gilroy below in 1881 living at Regents Park St Pancras. Their mother Hannah was born in Taunton
Hannah Gilroy 38 Taunton, Somerset Married Dressmaker
Rose E. Dyer 15 Daughter b London
Ethel W. Dyer 13 Daughter b London
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Thank you. I will look at all of this a bit later.
You have been a huge help solving this 😃
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Glad it's of use. If you have access to Anc this tree appears to relate to Hannah Gilroy's family
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tyv/
Good Luck Kay
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And in 1851 Hannah was living with her grand mother Ann Champion. This is the link I was looking for I'm sure.
Thank you :)
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It's lovely when loose ends tie up :)
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That’s great am pleased it all worked out :)