RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: DonnaLou84 on Wednesday 27 August 25 15:16 BST (UK)
-
Hey all,
I'm at a loss, half of family has vanished and I've no idea where to look
James Hills born c.1843 Spaldwick, Huntingdonshire
Ann Hills born c.1845 Bedfordshire
had 3 children that I'm aware of
Charlotte Hills b.1871-d.1872
Eliza J Hills b.1873-d.1918
William C Hills b.1880-d. unknown
the whole family is missing from the 1891 census
1901- Ann is showing as a visitor at the home of William and Charlotte Swales in Huntingdon St Mary, she shows as married, but no sign of her husband....
can anyone help?
There is a possible James Hills in London as a patient...but...yeah bit of a loss.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
-
Do you know what James's middle name was? He might have been listed on the census as that.
Also possibly your Eliza on the 1891 census -
Name Elizth Jane Hill
Gender Female
Age 17
Relationship Patient
Birth Year 1874
Birth Place Ratcliffe, Huntingdonshire, England
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Huntingdon, St Mary, Huntingdonshire, England
-
Do you know what James's middle name was? He might have been listed on the census as that.
Ivy
Just had a look, and he wasn't baptised with any middle name
-
I will keep looking!
-
Do you know what James's middle name was? He might have been listed on the census as that.
Also possibly your Elizabeth on the 1891 census -
Name Elizth Jane Hill
Gender Female
Age 17
Relationship Patient
Birth Year 1874
Birth Place Ratcliffe, Huntingdonshire, England
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Huntingdon, St Mary, Huntingdonshire, England
Where was she a patient? Eliza was born in Bythorn, so not sure if thats the same place?
-
The census is at Huntingdon (Not sure what Hospital) and it says she was born in Ratcliffe (Leicestershire?)
This might not be Eliza after all! ???
-
You have the marriage for Eliza presumably - 1898 which says father James is a labourer
-
You have the marriage for Eliza presumably - 1898 which says father James is a labourer
Yep, i've got that, he isn't shown as deceased, plus Ann being shown as married in 1901 means he must be somewhere...but no idea where
-
The problem is fathers weren't always noted as deceased even if they were but if Ann says married in 1901 that is further evidence he was still alive.
I wonder is there a death for little William Charles? He would only be 10 in 1891 so not likely to be out on his own.
Have you checked grandparents on 1891 census as they often had grandchildren with them.
-
The problem is fathers weren't always noted as deceased even if they were but if Ann says married in 1901 that is further evidence he was still alive.
I wonder is there a death for little William Charles? He would only be 10 in 1891 so not likely to be out on his own.
Have you checked grandparents on 1891 census as they often had grandchildren with them.
The 1891 census has the whole family missing! which is odd, apparently though 1891 was when the Suffragette movement had a lot of women refuse to carry out the census, so potentially, James was 'under the thumb' and went along with what Ann said?
Will have a further look into the grandparents in 1891, but the Hills family are very much a brick wall.
Ann and James had a daughter- Charlotte who passed aged 1, then Eliza(my 2x gt grandmother) and a brother...
finding any of them, other than Eliza is proving a challenge.
-
Do you know the people Ann is visiting in 1901?
-
Do you know the people Ann is visiting in 1901?
Nope! Absolutely no clue, given the ages, potentially could be a sister of Ann's but haven't made that link yet.
Would she have shown as sister in law to the head, if this was the case?
-
Not necessarily no especially if she was just visiting
trying to check the birth registrations - is this right?
William Charles Dec 1880 mothers name Hardwick - Huntingdon
Charlotte Sophia Mar 1871 mothers name Hardwicke - Huntingdon
Eliza Jane Sep 1873 mothers name Hardwick - Thrapston
there are other Hills/Hardwick births but could be a different couple
-
Not necessarily no especially if she was just visiting
trying to check the birth registrations - is this right?
William Charles Dec 1880 mothers name Hardwick
Charlotte Sophia Mar 1871 mothers name Hardwicke
but haven't found Eliza yet
there are other Hills/Hardwick births but could be a different couple
The only other child I've found is Eliza Jane Hills(married name Reedman) born around 1873
Otherwise, yes thats the correct family
-
Found it now but not in Huntingdon district :)
-
There were 2 other girls who died young born Huntingdon
Emma Ann - Sep 1875 - Mar 1879
Mary Louisa - Dec 1878 - Mar 1879
the dates would fit in with your family
-
There were 2 other girls who died young born Huntingdon
Emma Ann - Sep 1875 - Mar 1879
Mary Louisa - Dec 1878 - Mar 1879
the dates would fit in with your family
I'll have a look at the baptism records, will let you know if they are the same family.
-
There were 2 other girls who died young born Huntingdon
Emma Ann - Sep 1875 - Mar 1879
Mary Louisa - Dec 1878 - Mar 1879
the dates would fit in with your family
I'll have a look at the baptism records, will let you know if they are the same family.
It looks like Emma Ann was theirs, but Mary Louisa wasn't
-
Yes I agree - here's another one to check
Arthur James Sep 1883 - Mar 1884 Huntingdon
-
You could be right with the sister in law
Charlotte Hardwick marriage to William Swales in St Neots 1 Jul 1861
father John Hardwick and one of the witnesses is Sophia Hardwick
Ann had a daughter Charlotte Sophia so she was probably another sister
-
Yes I agree - here's another one to check
Arthur James Sep 1883 - Mar 1884 Huntingdon
From what I see,Arthur doesn't appear to be theirs
-
You could be right with the sister in law
Charlotte Hardwick marriage to William Swales in St Neots 1 Jul 1861
father John Hardwick and one of the witnesses is Sophia Hardwick
Ann had a daughter Charlotte Sophia so she was probably another sister
Thank you, they do like to confuse us!haha..
But still no idea where James has vanished to....very strange
-
Ann had a few sisters who married but don't seem to be harbouring any of the Hills in 1891.
Have to leave it there for now but keep looking and something will turn up :)