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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Old Bristolian on Tuesday 26 August 25 10:49 BST (UK)
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The entry in the Heads of Household register for the parish of Killin in 1836 for my possible ancestor, Peter McMartin has a note simply saying 'scandal'. I presume this debarred him from voting in any election of a minister for the parish. Would anyone know where I might look to find out any details of this scandal? His residence was recorded as Murloganbeg which I think is Murlagganbeg in Glen Lochay.
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The entry in the Heads of Household register for the parish of Killin in 1836 for my possible ancestor, Peter McMartin has a note simply saying 'scandal'. I presume this debarred him from voting in any election of a minister for the parish. Would anyone know where I might look to find out any details of this scandal? His residence was recorded as Murloganbeg which I think is Murlagganbeg in Glen Lochay.
Kirk Session records for the parish of Killin.
If they have survived they should be online in the Virtual Volumes at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - go for 'Record creator search' and enter Killin.
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Thanks Forfarian, I'll give that a go
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It seems that only the accounts are available for the period in question
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I have a couple of family members who appear in the Brechin Kirk Session records in the 1820s. Their claim to shame was pre-nuptial fornication. They weren’t alone. Those records are full of other folk who were also investigated and reprimanded before the congregation around the same time for the same reason. Rascals? Perhaps that was the sort of “scandal” your ancestor got noted for?
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Yes Elwyn, I think that may be the case. The person in question is Peter/Patrick McMartin who had married Christian McDiarmid in 1811 and had eight children with her. Christian must have died c1835 and by the 1841 census Peter is living with 'Mrs' Mcmartin and a baby son. It turns out his new wife was Margaret Ferguson and they had four children before his death before 1855. The odd thing is that Margaret's age varies considerably on all the censuses she appears in until her death in 1892, but it seems that she was born in 1821 which would make her just 16 when she married Peter. Was there perhaps some scandal about this or their possible co-habitation before? I've seen records suggesting Peter and Margaret married at Killin in 1837 but I can't find a record on Scotland's People.
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The 1837 marriage is recorded in both Killin and Kenmore. See screenshot.
This means that at the time of the marriage one of the couple resided in the parish of Kenmore and one in the parish of Killin. You'll need to view the originals to see who lived where.
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Thanks Forfarian,
I looked at the Killin entry today on SP, but the wrong image came up - I've informed them and await a reply. I see the two dates are different - a transcribing error or perhaps the calling of banns?
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Thanks Forfarian,
I looked at the Killin entry today on SP, but the wrong image came up - I've informed them and await a reply. I see the two dates are different - a transcribing error or perhaps the calling of banns?
Just that the banns were recorded on different dates in the parish registers. Some clerks would make a record when the banns were first called, others might hold off until they could add the date of the actual wedding.
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It seems that only the accounts are available for the period in question
It is worth looking through the accounts for the period. Sometimes they lump things like mortcloth payments and penalties paid by delinquents together as monthly or quarterly sums, or even as individual payments without mentioning names. However, you might find your ancestor's name, the amount of the penalty paid, and even the reason for the penalty. You never know: always worth checking.
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Thanks GR2, I'll give that a go
Steve
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Due to the parishes having detached sections, bmd records in this area could be recorded in Killin, Kenmore or Weem with marriage banns in particular often recorded in 2.
Glen Lochay was split between the 3 parishes. By 1930 parish boundaries were realigned so that this area fell entirely in Killin.
This issue is not limited to this area, so keep in mind when searching for records.
Murlaganbeg and Murlaganmore were in Killin parish in between two detached sections of Kenmore parish. Moirlanich and Daldravaig were adjacent, but in Kenmore parish.
Use this map to view the boundaries:https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.3&lat=56.48431&lon=-4.37442&layers=257s&b=1&o=100 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.3&lat=56.48431&lon=-4.37442&layers=257s&b=1&o=100)
My notes on the family:
Peter McMartin and his 2nd wife Margaret Ferguson resided at Murlaganbeg in the 1841 and 1851 census. Margaret moved to Monomore St in Killin for the 1861 census following Peter's death. She died there in 1892.
Peter was the son of Peter McMartin and Mary McKercher, I believe. Margaret was the daughter of Duncan Ferguson and Catherine Ferguson.
Peter's 1st wife Christina McDiarmid is likely the daughter of Archibald McDiarmid and Helen McPherson of Daletuil which is immediately across the river (not on most maps). Her brother Duncan died at Killin in 1864 - married a Catherine McCall.
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Peter's 1st marriage in 1811 states that he was of Kenmore and Christian McDiarmid was of Weem.
Again, they were both from Killin, but in detached sections of these parishes.
Peter's 2nd marriage says he was residing Murlaganbeg and his wife Margaret Ferguson was in Edramucky (north shore of Loch Tay).
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Ahh.
The scandal is that Peter McMartin had a child out of wedlock with possibly underage Margaret Ferguson in 1835/36. 1821 being her possible birth year by her death record.
James McMartin was born prior to their marriage in 1837.
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Thanks for all this information Kori. I've now found details of Peter's second marriage and that was irregular. Banns were called in Kenmore and he married Margaret Ferguson at Lawers on January 2nd, 1837, the Rev Duncan Campbell officiating. The Killin register states this was an irregular Proclamation and after Peter had paid the dues the Proclamation was registered at Killin on July 8th.
I'm sure that the parents of Christian McDiarmid, Peter's first wife, were Archibald and Ellen (Helen) as Peter and Christian gave these names to their second son and daughter respectively. I can't find any dates for Christian's death however. I haven't seen a son James 1835/6, but th=ere is a daughter Catherine born c1835. There was a John in 1840 and a son James in 1850 (he was James on the 1851 census, Ewen in 1861 and Hugh in 1871). I have had trouble finding any baptismal details for Peter's children.
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I was incorrect - the James b 1835 was actually born to Duncan McMartin and Christian McDiarmid.
I just found his death certificate. I had the tree wrong.
You are correct - the James b 1850 in the 1851 census is Hugh.
Peter's daughter Catherine was born 1836/37 possibly before the wedding - so she or her mother's age was the cause of the scandal. She died 1871 in Dumbarton. Married a Robert McKay.
Son John born 1841 died 1916 in Killin. Had two wives - Janet Malloch and Catherine Brown
Son Donald b 1843 died 22 May 1911 in Killin. Married a Catherine Cameron.
Daughter Christian b 1847.
Son Hugh b 1851 died 5 Jan 1917 in Killin. He married Isabel Robertson in 1874.
There are no baptisms for the children, making this family challenging.
Have to go by census and death certificate if you can find.