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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Varleyhaggart on Sunday 24 August 25 13:45 BST (UK)
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I’m wondering if anybody can help me work my way back from Phoebe Wright who married John Woods in Liverpool. There’s so many Woods/wrights/James/Johns that I’m at a total dead end!
Marriage: 11 Feb 1877 All Saints, Liverpool, Lancs.
John Woods - 24 Labourer Bachelor of 66 Buckingham St
Phoebe Wright - (X), 21 Spinster of 18 Buckingham St
Groom's Father: William Woods, Cab Driver
Bride's Father: William Henry Wright, Carter
Witness: Richard Woods; Elizabeth Kenny, (X)
I believe this is their marriage…
I noticed that there is ELIZABETH KENNY as a witness…
I saw a marriage between a WILLIAM KENNY WRIGHT and ELLEN ROBINSON 1842 LIVERPOOL
I’m unsure if this is correct and I’m unable to see if there was any connection to the name KENNY past these two things…the name past this seems to be WILLIAM HENRY WRIGHT
I believe this ELLEN WRIGHT if correct, passed away in 1864 LIVERPOOL.
This family had came up in another post I did regarding the HESKETH family, but it started to get too confusing with the different names and such. So I’m trying to isolate the families in these posts to make it easier for myself and future family members!
Any input would be greatly appreciated as I’m giving myself a headache and getting nowhere :)
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My maternal side is Wright so I know the problems😂
If she is the Phoebe Wright b 1855 then her mothers maiden name was Robinson
If she is the 1857 birth her mmn was Kenyon
The 1842 marriage was William Henry - not William Kenny
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This looks like a strong candidate for Phoebe in 1861
1861 No 2, 2 court, Gt Oxford Street, Liverpool
William H Wright, carter and Helen his wife, with 3 children including ‘Pheabe’, 5
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This looks like a strong candidate for Phoebe in 1861
1861 No 2, 2 court, Gt Oxford Street, Liverpool
William H Wright, carter and Helen his wife, with 3 children including ‘Pheabe’, 5
The ELLEN WRIGHT I found that died in 1864 address was GREAT OXFORD STREET
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This looks to be the same couple in 1851:
Liverpool St Martin
ED 1h
piece 2176
folio 278
page 45
schedule no. 161
in which case Helen was aka Ellen and there are Robinson in-laws present
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Did Phoebe remarry 24.12.1899 to William Henry Mayor?
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Did Phoebe remarry in 1890 to William Henry Mayor?
I believe she did yes!
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The 1842 marriage was William Henry - not William Kenny
Is that if you read the original? Bcos on FAMILYSEARCH it’s listed as WILLIAM KENNY…but I know from experience that what it says and what you read aren’t always the same! And I haven’t been able to see the original!
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William ‘Kenny’ looks like a mistranscription to me: it is clearly Henry in the signature on the 1842 marriage.
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Typo on re-marriage of Phoebe - should be 1899 - amended in reply
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Alan, With the info you provided, it looks as though Robinson for a maiden name would be most possible I think?
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Yes, I think everything points to that.
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William Henry Wright & Ellen Robinson married 8.8.1842 @ St Nicholas Liverpool
His father was also William & both Williams occs are shown as Carter
Ellen’s father was John - occ looks like brush maker
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Fantastic! Was there names of witnesses at all?
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1841 - parents William & Elizabeth - both Williams are Carters. Ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs in 1841 so William was between 15-19yrs old
Piece 557 book 9 folio 22
Will check for witnesses
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There was an ELLEN ROBINSON born 1822 LIVERPOOL to JOHN ROBINSON and ELLEN JONES
Apparently ELLEN JONES was the daughter of THOMAS JONES and PHEBE
This is according to a tree on FAMILYSEARCH
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Best sort William out first before moving on to Ellen. Word of caution - always check any info yourself that you find on another persons tree
1842 marriage - Witnesses were Richard Tout?? - can’t decipher surname but definitely not Wright or Robinson. Other witness was Eliza Williams
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The 1822 baptism for Ellen Robinson shows her father John was a brushmaker. No maiden name on the record for her mother Ellen
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1841 - all b in county
John Robinson 55 brushmaker
Ellen 50
Peter 5 grandson
Piece 555 book 9 folio 26 page 45
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:)
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Phoebe in 1901
William H Mayor 44 Head
Phoebe Mayor 44 Wife
Annie Mayor 22 Daughter-in-law
John Mayor 18 Son
Elizabeth Mayor 14 Daughter
Hugh Mayor 12 Son
William H Mayor 3 Grandson
William H Woods 20 Stepson (Step Son)
Richard Woods 18 Stepson (Step Son)
Jane Woods 15 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Ann Moran 19 Visitor
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Phoebe in 1901
William H Mayor 44 Head
Phoebe Mayor 44 Wife
Annie Mayor 22 Daughter-in-law
John Mayor 18 Son
Elizabeth Mayor 14 Daughter
Hugh Mayor 12 Son
William H Mayor 3 Grandson
William H Woods 20 Stepson (Step Son)
Richard Woods 18 Stepson (Step Son)
Jane Woods 15 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Ann Moran 19 Visitor
Phoebe married twice. First marriage to JOHN WOODS 1915
Her sister ANN also married a MAYOR
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Best sort William out first before moving on to Ellen. Word of caution - always check any info yourself that you find on another persons tree
Agreed! I’ve been lead down that before before!
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There is a WILLIAM HENRY WOODS born 1822 LIVERPOOL ST NICHOLAS to WILLIAM WOODS and ELIZABETH no maiden name