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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: louisa maud on Monday 18 August 25 10:25 BST (UK)
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Morning folks , hope everyone feel better after the weekend.
Decidedly cooler this morning, most welcome in my opinion.
Can't believe the date, it has crept up and I have missed a birthday, silly me, the card might be late but the cheque will be welcome no doubt.
No doubt you all know I am a twin, mentioned it often enough, last week I fell over, yesterday I had a call from my brother and he had a fall this week , he ended up in hospital overnight, I laughed and explained why, if something happens to me he follows , when I had my car accident about 2 years ago the next day he wrote his car off, it seems it starts with me but not the other way round , K Garrard has twins in the family, do they suffer similarly, strange though isn't it?
Take care
LM
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My brother and I are fraternal twins; non-identical.
My twin daughters have occasionally reported instances of similar "happenings".
Not sure about my twin grand-daughters.
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Yes L.M.Quite cool this morning ,weak sunshine .
I always felt I was a twin,no idea why but I did.
Someone who understood me!
I lost a baby at three months - well what seemed a miscarriage yet was still pregnant ,daughter born at due date, placenta”ragged” according to the Doctor, who said it was “ tired “,so was I , ;D
This was in Belgium, no services like those in England ,ante natal clinics etc.
No home births which my other two had been,even the first .
Not geared for breast feeding so I discharged myself after three days .
I was supposed to be there a week.
Such different attitudes ,no gas and air as I had “ sinned” according to the
Nuns who ran the clinic,I had to suffer !
Well I had done the breathing exercises and did not make one sound ,just to annoy them!
They took her from me and she was all night away from me and was sobbing with dried tears all down her little cheeks, I insisted she stay with me after
that and so was in trouble again with the Nuns so went home .
I had been the Baby Welfare nurse at St,Mary’s Hospital in Manchester and at Crumpsall ( Now N,Mc.) Premature baby unit, had two children already .
When back from Belgium I did an O.U course “ The first four years of life”
So went to the educational side not the nursing side .
Then worked in Primary schools ,so same holidays as my daughter.
Sons were 10 and 8 years older than their sister.
Well must get on ,hope those unwell are feeling better , I am not too bad at all really ,tired but at 88 that is not unusual.
Cheerio,
Viktoria .
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" sinned" Viktoria, whatever for?
LM
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Perhaps I should feel deprived, as we've never as far as I know had any twinnery in the family! I was born on my mother's birthday, however, and often we'd suddenly contact the other one, concerned about the same thing, or having had a similar experience. In our case, being fairly close probably the cause.
TY
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I must say I find it quite interesting as to why these things happen to both of us one after the other, our partners ought to watch it if one of us passes away, well you never know do you !
LM
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I never experienced any of those sort of feeling but when I was a child (or possibly teenager) I convinced myself I was adopted as I didn't look like any of the family. The supposed adoption was just a product of my imagination of course, although a few years ago when I was showing some family photos to a friend, some of them being great grandparents, I asked her if she could see any resemblance to me and the answer was a straight no! I know my sister and I have some similar mannerisms but is that nature or nurture? That's another debate.....
Grey and cool here today, we even had a little rain, more like drizzle though.
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I to thought I was adopted when I was younger! I wonder why those thoughts go through one’s mind as a child!
I’m impressed with three generations of twins KG… I thought it missed a generation usually. Intuition between twins must be a little scary at times!
Dull day here today and cooler but still got washing all dry.. the garden beginning to look like a desert! We water the veg otherwise what’s the point in growing it and I do water my roses 🌹 already lost one Golden Rose we bought for our 50th but luckily we have another in a different spot and it’s beautiful.
Hope the knees improving LM and you’re trying to take it easy..
My goodness Viktoria having a baby in Belgium does sound rather austere… my M-in - Law was sent to a Belgium convent from Ireland and she didn’t have a good word to say about the Nuns!
Well in for cataract surgery on Wednesday at 8.20 am 😳 for the second (left) eye, had laser surgery on right eye last week… it made a big difference after initial surgery 2 yrs ago and then getting misted up.. so can’t wait to have A1 vision… maybe.. well better than now anyway! What marvels science brings us to enhance life for longer.
Daughter and family back from their three wk trip to visit our Son in Oz this w/e.. they’ve shared lots of pics with ‘The Grandparents’ so it almost feels like we’ve been with them!
The Whitsundays looked beautiful such colours in tge clear water..
whale watching from Hervey Bay,
Dolphin feeding from Tin Can Bay..
final days on Fraser Island driving a 4x4 on sand…
trips to the zoo, national parks, Stradbroke island..
but I’ll bet when asked what the boys liked best it will be driving Uncle M’s multi purpose vehicle round his 4 acre land and seeing kangaroos 🦘 in the garden.. what lucky boys they are to be taken on such a wonderful trip.. plus visiting Singapore and overlooking Marina Bay and The Bay Sands hotel.
Coming back to UK an London going to seem very odd.
Well must do the ironing.
Take care all and have a better cooler week
Caroline
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I’m impressed with three generations of twins KG… I thought it missed a generation usually. Intuition between twins must be a little scary at times!
It's actually 4 generations!
Mum was a twin, but her sister was registered as Stillborn.
Check Guinness World Records for "Most Consecutive Generations of Twins!"
We are joint record holders. ;)
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I’m impressed with three generations of twins KG… I thought it missed a generation usually. Intuition between twins must be a little scary at times!
It's actually 4 generations!
Mum was a twin, but her sister was registered as Stillborn.
Check Guinness World Records for "Most Consecutive Generations of Twins!"
We are joint record holders. ;)
Wow that’s some recorded to hold, not everyone gets to have their names listed.. congrats.
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Hope all goes well after your cataract surgery Caw.
I always wonder how those people in third world countries we used to see on T.V, having the operation sitting in the dust in blazing sunshine .
Aren’t we lucky .
Did a four minute mile today, son shouted downstairs that a little tot from the other side of the street was running up and down and no sign of an adult.
She runs off like that frequently ,but parked cars nose to tail and traffic going up and down - had she left the pavement any driver would not have seen her come from between two vehicles until it was too late ,No sign of her mother.She is two!
I dashed out and got hold of her,mother was there but hidden from me by a van.I explained to her mother we could see the little girl running but could not see her and it was dangerous ,her daughter could have crossed the road from between two parked vehicles and been knocked down.
Mum laughed and said she was always doing it!
Lady is from Nigeria, is a Nurse and it surprised me how nonchalant and realaxed she was about it all,I was more worried than she was.
Well off to bed abd a good book.
Cheerio.zLook after yourselves .
Viktoria.
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Thanks Victoria, I hope so too! We are indeed lucky it’s a simple procedure that gives such great results.
Sadly I think one sees dangers around every corner as we get older and wiser.. little children running along pavements in trafficked areas can draw one’s breath in! They are unpredictable at that age with no awareness of dangers.. it’s a pity the mum couldn’t see that sane danger.. ah well there’s nowt so queer as folk !
Dull here today hoping the sun comes out this a/noon.
Caroline
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The mother should never allow a child in a street where traffic passes, and to just laugh with her comment was ridiculous, a little explaining to the child and to keep an eye on her wouldn’t go amiss
LM.
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My son was in a computer “ meeting “and I was downstairs so it made sense for me to go. When I was back home he explained he had dealt with such a situation once only for the mother to behave as if he was a child abductor !
It was really to deflect blame from her, I suppose.
What a strange world!
Dull today and fresh.
Putting out my pills for next week to take with me.
Last delivery has missed out two heart drugs and one eye drop !
It always happens when I am going away .
I usually check them off when they arrive, why not this time?
So a day phoning and then dashing down in the heavy traffic ,it can take hours ,cars nose to tail, to the chemist to pick them up.
I can see us not going tomorrow or coming back early.
I get fed up with it all, travel is not easy for oldies either by car or rail ,I do prefer the latter though.
It will work out somehow .
My suitcase from my last visit is at my daughter’s left in the basis my grandson was going to come up but work and car trouble stopped that .I can’t remember what is in the case at my daughter’s ——I brought home what needed washing , Itravelled by train and got assisted journey help ,I found that quite easy.
Well must get on.
Look after yourselves ,
Viktoria,.
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" sinned" Viktoria, whatever for?
LM
Well we are supposed to be descended from Eve!
The Nuns held very strong old beliefs ,and remember it was Eve who tempted Adam!
In the old “ Churching “ ceremony women until fairly recently had to be “Churched “ before they were accepted back in society.
It was really a thanksgiving for a safe delivery but became an admittance that they had sinned when at their wedding they had made promises ——-
Also a remnant of the Jewish custom of purification that Jewish women still have to observe I believe .
I don’t think many have it nowadays.
My m- in - law, would not let me in her house until I had been churched.
Superstition overtaking religion !
I looked at it as a thankyou for a healthy baby and that I was O.K.
Deaths of new mothers was still in living memory in 1957.
Well must get on .Viktoria.
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For those interested in the twins record:
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-consecutive-generations-of-twins
Sims/Garrad/Gwynne family.
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" sinned" Viktoria, whatever for?
LM
Well we are supposed to be descended from Eve!
The Nuns held very strong old beliefs ,and remember it was Eve who tempted Adam!
In the old “ Churching “ ceremony women until fairly recently had to be “Churched “ before they were accepted back in society.
I'm a bit puzzled by this Viktoria - what promises are made in the wedding ceremony that would mean a woman has sinned if she gives birth to a child? Doesn't part of the ceremony say that marriage is for the procreation of children (or words to that effect)? And the promise 'with my body I thee honour' seems to be approval rather than condemnation.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but can't get my head around it. ???
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Did a four minute mile today, son shouted downstairs that a little tot from the other side of the street was running up and down and no sign of an adult.
She runs off like that frequently ,but parked cars nose to tail and traffic going up and down - had she left the pavement any driver would not have seen her come from between two vehicles until it was too late ,No sign of her mother.She is two! I dashed out and got hold of her,mother was there but hidden from me by a van.I explained to her mother we could see the little girl running but could not see her and it was dangerous ,her daughter could have crossed the road from between two parked vehicles and been knocked down.
Mum laughed and said she was always doing it!
Lady is from Nigeria, is a Nurse and it surprised me how nonchalant and realaxed she was about it all,I was more worried than she was.
Cheerio.zLook after yourselves .
Viktoria.
My tots all wore a harness and reins. Even at early ages they often move like quick silver. When OH was in the forces a tot vanished from a large popular and busy supermarket.. She had skipped along in front of both her parents to the main doors but when her parents walked through the doors their daughter had vanished never to be seen again.
Roll forward about three years and I was back in England listening to the radio when a military policeman asked listeners if they had any news or views on a small girl who had vanished (from the same store). I 'phoned and said it was a copycat of a kidnapping when we were there spring 1966 so maybe they could gain some information from the previous incident.
Back in England I was in my bank queueing up (as you did in those days) when a little girl toddled in behind a customer. From both their attitude neither belonged to the other. Then an old man pushed open the doors and looked around (for the child). We both escorted the child out of the bank and the old gent indicated the direction he'd noticed the child coming from. ( I thought it prudent to stay with the chap as he could very well have been accused of something he hadn't done.) We retraced the child's steps and eventually a woman came out of a shop doorway obviously distraught - we'd found the mother of the unconcerned tot.
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" sinned" Viktoria, whatever for?
LM
Well we are supposed to be descended from Eve!
The Nuns held very strong old beliefs ,and remember it was Eve who tempted Adam!
In the old “ Churching “ ceremony women until fairly recently had to be “Churched “ before they were accepted back in society.
I'm a bit puzzled by this Viktoria - what promises are made in the wedding ceremony that would mean a woman has sinned if she gives birth to a child? Doesn't part of the ceremony say that marriage is for the procreation of children (or words to that effect)? And the promise 'with my body I thee honour' seems to be approval rather than condemnation.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but can't get my head around it. ???
I heard the same account from one of my mother's older cousins. Three weeks after the birth of her baby the cousin decided to visit an aunt. When the aunt opened the front door and saw who was visiting she shouted at her niece saying she wasn't welcome as she hadn't been churched.
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Don’t twins only “run” on the female side, and only fraternal twins at that. There seems to be a genetic tendency for some women to release two eggs during ovulation, hence the arrival of fraternal twins. Identical twins are just a chance occurrence and not influenced by genes.
My maternal grandmother, a paternal great grandmother and a paternal great grandmother all had twins ( two sets were fraternal, the other set died young, and unknown what type they were, but both girls) but I was not blessed, had three singles. My children’s paternal grandfather had an identical twin.
I did know a family with two sets of fraternal twins, all girls.
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Yes,” Original sin “ Eve tempting Adam, I think it goes back to that.
It infuriated me ,really.I felt my husband ought to be there too to show thanks for our healthy baby and that I was well.
Old superstitions. ::)
A lot of misogynistic things like that come from the Old Testament.
Patriarchs having lots of wives etc.
The wording of the Churching has changed from what I remember 68 years ago.The more recent service us a thanksgiving .
As with many things in religion ,misinterpretings too.
Well just spent a day with my great grandchildren ,delightful.
Baby Lily so sociable,Kyra and Flash Harry so good ..
A big bake in for the reception ,G.Daughter has done her own wedding cake so finishing touches to that .
There will be food - Pizza Hut and a hog roast and fish and chips van, Salads and savoury etc rice to go with those.
Well tea time ,I am hungry , had a light lunch as so much going on in the kitchen!
Cheerio folks .
Viktoria.
Phew !
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Two of my mother’s sisters had boy twins .
No idea what the foetus was I lost ,but must have been two placentas and amniotic sacs or my daughter would have been lost too.
As memory serves me it was Summer and I had just stopped having the dreadful nausea ,all day and night ,so probably three months .
I was perhaps dehydrated.
Well wedding tomorrow ,do hope it is good weather for them.
It teemed down for my wedding ,but a lovely time .
Cheerio .Thanks for the good wishes.
Viktoria.
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Hope all goes well Viktoria, keeping everything crossed for reasonable weather.
Take care
LM
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Have a wonderful day tomorrow Viktoria very special times for families.
I think the weather in Suffolk should be ok… don’t think there’s any rain due and hopefully sunny.. not sure exactly where you are but sure it’ll be ok.
It rained on our wedding day too on the 4th August! Most photos taken inside the big marquee we had in the garden… wonderful memories though.
LM hope your knee is improving and you’ve been able to take it easy.
Caroline
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Thanks,L.M.and Caw.
Baby here tonight and will she go to sleep?—— well no, singing and babbling!
Mummy very early hair appt tomorrow and
Daddy helping to set the last things up in the marquee .
It will work out ,the florist has worked all afternoon doing the church and posies for the tables.A family friend so a gift .Very generous .
Well an early night - I may have my bath tonight to free things up tomorrow.
Just hoping for good weather ,it chucked it down on my wedding day but after that it was all O.K.
Look after yourselves folks.
Viktoria.
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Fingers crossed 🤞for good weather Viktoria, I believe it is supposed to be dry everywhere but not sunny until late afternoon. I’m sure you will look very smart and all have lovely time. We all look forward to hearing all about it.
It was a glorious sunny morning the day of my August wedding but rained heavily for the wedding in the afternoon, no photos outside the church until after the reception.
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Coming up to our 57th wedding anniversary this week, so many happy memories. It was a dull drizzly day and I was glad to have the dress and coat ensemble I was wearing. A bit of a rebel at the time, I chose to marry in the register office and not wear a white meringue.
Hope the sun shines on you and the bride, Viktoria. Our choir is busking today on the sea front in aid of the RNLI, and so far the sun is shining, though it's rather cooler than recently with just 19 degrees forecast.
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Would have been our 65th last week. I certainly was not in a white meringue, white too draining. I wore a very simple ivory brocade. Arrived in church and promptly turned round and dived out again, I realised I was wearing old shoes because of the rain and was carrying my wedding shoes inside of my bouquet. It caused quite a stir as congregation thought I had changed my mind. ;D
The sun has come out earlier than forecast here, I hope it has been the same for Viktoria.
Should be nice for your choir on the sea front GillG.
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Well, it turned out to be rather warm on the sea front, more like 22, so I didn't need the extra layer I was wearing! Lots of holidaymakers - at least the beach wasn't closed like it was last week because of dirty water. "Dirty Water" is the title of one our favourite songs and we sang it at an event organised recently by Surfers against Sewage.