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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: charlesmkeenan1 on Wednesday 13 August 25 01:21 BST (UK)
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Hi all:
I have traced my McKenzie line back to approximately 1760 in the Carlisle, Cumberland, ENG area.
I believe they originated in nearby Scotland but I don't have any documentation of such.
Does anyone have McKenzie's who settled in Carlisle with documentation of birth in Scotland?
Thanks in advance.
Chuck
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Maybe you could post the name/s of your ancestors living in Cumberland at that time.
Colin
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Hi Colin:
The farthest back I have is:
-John McKenzie; b. 1791, Carlisle, Cumberland; m. Elizabeth Hodgson, 4th gr grandparents:
-John McKenzie, b. 1814, Carlisle; m. Elizabeth Smith, 3rd gr grandparents;
-Elizabeth McKenzie; b. 1837; Carlisle; m. John Keenan, 2nd gr grandparents;
her siblings were all born in Carlisle, brother William b. 1872 had a son John McKenzie b. 1895, Carlisle; brother James b. 1901 had a son, Donald b, 1937 living in Carlisle. This is the last McKenzie male that I have.
Chuck
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Hi Chuck,
I note the 1871 census for John & Elizabeth and trees on Ancestry (My membership has lapsed) do you have his birth/baptism or marriage details, below is the only one I can see in Cumberland.
John Mckenzie Christening 11 March 1790
Whitehaven, Cumberland Parents John Mckenzie, Elizabeth Mckenzie
Colin
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Hi Colin:
The farthest back I have is:
-John McKenzie; b. 1791, Carlisle, Cumberland; m. Elizabeth Hodgson, 4th gr grandparents:
-John McKenzie, b. 1814, Carlisle; m. Elizabeth Smith, 3rd gr grandparents;
John McKenzie married Elizabeth Hodgson at Carlisle 23 Jun 1817
Where and when do you have the baptism for John bn 1814 :-\
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-Elizabeth McKenzie; b. 1837; Carlisle; m. John Keenan, 2nd gr grandparents;
In 1871 Elizabeth and John Keenan are in Greengill, Cockermouth with 5 children including Susanna 9 and Felix 7.
KEENAN, FELIX mmn MCKENZIE
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 536
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Where and when did John and Elizabeth marry
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Hi Chuck,
I have found the marriage but no record for John, they are both on the 1861 & 1871 census but not 1841/1851 that I can see?
John McKenzie, Marriage 23 June 1817
Carlisle St Mary, Cumberland, Spouse Elizabeth Hodgson
Looks likely that their children were all baptised Carlisle 18 September 1831?
William, Charles, John (Not necessarily in that order)
Possible death records?
MCKENZIE, JOHN 85
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 341
MCKENZIE, ELIZABETH 90
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 395
Colin
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John Mckenzie m Ann Strickland 1 Sep 1785 at St Mary, Carlisle
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Colin:
I think the email invite to ancestry does not require membership for you to view my tree. Check it out and let me know for sure.
Chuck
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Hopefully you can get further back and have the Parish church/kirk books to assist you. Unlike me - there are no books because the last vicar took the books with him and they may, or may not, still be in existence. !!!
My ancestors included "Seaforth" in the name of their house so that was where I started my search. The Scots followed the usual naming pattern so it's quite easy to trace further back .For instance my late father born 1912 in England, was named Donald. He was the youngest of five boys and I had to go back to a Donald born 1770 on the Black Isle, Scotland the land of the McKs before I discovered he was a gt. grandfather to my father.
<The Mackenzies of Gairloch were a branch of the Mackenzie clan who lived on the west coast of Scotland, specifically in the Gairloch area. Their lands included Flowerdale, where their family house was located. This branch of the clan was known for maintaining a strong connection to their tenants and resisting evictions during the Highland Clearances. >
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Hi Rena:
I will keep on looking.
Rena is a beautiful name and the title of one of my favorite Blue Rodeo (a Canadian Americana style rock band). The song is named for lead singer, Jim Cuddy's wife Rena.
Best regards from Western NY
Chuck
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-John McKenzie; b. 1791, Carlisle, Cumberland; m. Elizabeth Hodgson, 4th gr grandparents:
The 1851 census has birth place for this John McKinzie as Holme East Waver (Cumbria) abt 1794.
Possible baptisms in that area ----
1794 in Brampton - Parents John McKenzie and Jane Elphinston
1796 in Carlisle - Parents John McKenzie and Ann Strickland
Perhaps have a look in Wigton (just a few miles from Holme East Waver). There are some M’KINZIE marriages and baptisms there in the late 1700s.
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Colin:
I think the email invite to ancestry does not require membership for you to view my tree. Check it out and let me know for sure.
Chuck
No access for me, you were able to access trees in the past but that seems to be no longer possible even for former members.
Colin
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I note the marriage below which has been posted and it does appear to be a possibility, the only concern is the names of their children. If John 1796 was the one to marry Elizabeth Hodgson, their children were William, Charles, John?
John McKenzie. Marriage 1 September 1785
Carlisle, Cumberland, England.
Spouses Ann Strickland
Looks like Banns read on 14 August.
Children baptised Carlisle.
Edward 3 January 1796, John 8 February 1796, James 17 October 1800,
Ann 1 January 1803.
Colin
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Thanks Neale and ColC
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I believe this to be John & Elizabeth's son William. His children's names, make the 1785 marriage of his possible grandfather look more likely. Maybe some of the records for Williams siblings are missing?
1851 – Orton, Cumberland, all born Carlisle. No Marriage?
William Mckenzie 27 (1824) Pot Dealer
Jemima wife 22, John son age 3
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51K-XXB?lang=en
GRO registrations, mother MCKENZIE/MCKINZIE/MCKINZEY
MCKINZIE, JOHN
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 25 Page 72
MCKENZIE, EDWARD
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 25 Page 68
MCKINZIE, WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 438
MCKINZIE, JAMES
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 435
MCKINZEY, ELIZABETH ANN
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 495
MCKENZIE, ANNIE ELLEN
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in WIGTON Volume 10B Page 498
By 1881 William senior is a widower. Daughter Ann on census
MCKINZIE, JEMIMA died age 49
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 313
Colin
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At last, shame about the place of birth?
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKR-6ZB?lang=en
John 57 Pott Dealer , Elizabeth 57, Charles 19 Pott Dealer
Colin
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Charles was probably the youngest of the 3 known children, he was more than likely baptised with John & William in 1831. Perhaps other children,if there were any, did not survive.
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G5-1QP?lang=en
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51K-BNG?lang=en
1881 Craika Cottage, Dearham, Cockermouth, Cumberland
Charles McKenzie Head 49 1832 General dealer Carlisle, Cumberland,
Margaret McKenzie Wife 47 1834 Wigton, Cumberland,
John McKenzie Son 27 1854 General dealer Mealsgate, Cumberland,
Margaret McKenzie Daughter 19 1862 Dearham, Cumberland,
William McKenzie Son 12 1869 Scholar Dearham, Cumberland,
Death?
MCKENZIE, CHARLES 63
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 319
Colin
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I wondered why a "pot dealer" would move to Cockermouth.
I was so surprised to see the answer was the famous name of "Wedgewood Pottery"
"While Cockermouth wasn't necessarily famous for large-scale pottery production like some other areas, it does have a history of pottery making, particularly in the surrounding area. Specifically, Dearham, near Cockermouth, was known for its Wedgwood pottery, with Aaron and Jonathan Wedgwood establishing potteries there in the early 18th century."
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Wow. I had the impression that my McKenzie ancestors were more traveling pottery salesman.
My 2nd gr grandparents opened a China shop in Cockermouth that was there for generations that did include fine china. I have seen examples from my living cousins in Cumbria as that is where their mother, Nancy Keenan, worked.
Chuck