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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: garngad on Monday 11 August 25 18:31 BST (UK)
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Hi trying to find out what happened to a Denis McLernon birth date abt 1862 I have his marriage in 16th july 1894 to Mary Jane Sands or Sandys then birth of daughters Elizabeth/lizzie (1894) Margaret/maggie 1897 and Bridget 1911 (also died in 1911). The family are in the 1901 and 1911 census records all this is in Tyrone , Cookstown/Coagh i believe and i have all the records mentioned including the death of his wife Mary Jane in dec 1914 in Cookstown also his daughter Elizabeth's marriage to a Joseph Heron in june 1914 then nothing for the family after this. In 1911 census there is a grandson named Patrick Phelan aged 3 and the possibilty that he may have emigrated in 1926 (canadian shipping list found for him and his family) but i cant trace who young Patricks mother is to verify, i have struggled with the NIdirect site its so cumbersome it never even revealed the death of Mary Jane (who is the main line i am related to) and yet it is on the Irish Genealogy site in full so any help to move forward on the life and death of Denis would be appriceated. I have attached a brief list of certs found hope they are ledgible. Garngad
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...including the death of his wife Mary Jane in dec 1914 in Cookstown...
Mary Jane McLernon died in Coagh as per your attached image.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5394869#map=12/54.6504/-6.6347
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Thank you Kiltaglassan for the verification wasnt sure if Cookstown/Coagh.
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Denis McLernon was still alive to report his wife's death in 1914.
His wife died relatively young and Denis could have lived to the 1950s possibly.
He may be hiding in plain sight via a mistranscription of his name/s both fore- and surname.
Dennis
McLennan
McClellan
McClelland
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…i have struggled with the NIdirect site its so cumbersome it never even revealed the death of Mary Jane (who is the main line i am related to)…
Don't agree…it's easy to navigate.
Here's Mary Jane's death record in the GRONI index-
GRONI Online https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
D/1914/98/1009/9/256 Mary McLernon 3rd December 1914 48 Female Cookstown
No sign of a Denis McLernon death on GRONI up to and including today's date, 1975.
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Thanks shanreagh and Kiltaglassan i did try many times to input the correct death and date and got no return and have just clicked on your link and once again and still find it cumbersome I know its there as i have posted an extract of the cert but i still find the NI site not as easy as the others i have used just a personal opinion no more, and i thank all for the help and advice I will perceiver with the site when i need too so once again many thanks.
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Have you looked at this one yet?
D/1944/43/1007/14/174 Denis McLarnon 22nd May 1944 75 Male Belfast
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Will check it out aghadowey many thanks.
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Aye aghadowey that is him his daughter Elizabeth was the informant many thanks again for the info surprising for the cost of viewing that they dont allow copy or screen shots but eh ho, regards me not having much luck the other day searching the site maybe there was problems on my side/pc or the site itself. Curious to know from the 1911 census was a grandson Patrick Phelan which im sure emmigrated to Canada in 1926 his parents where James Phelan and Mary Wright looking at their marriage i can see one name that connects both marriages theirs and Denis McLernon/Mary Jane Sands and it is a John Mallon plus from 1894 there is Sarah Sands/Sandys and from the 1908 marriage there is Ellen McLernon any thoughts would be gratefully recieved. Garngad
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... Curious to know from the 1911 census was a grandson Patrick Phelan which im sure emmigrated to Canada in 1926 his parents where James Phelan and Mary Wright looking at their marriage i can see one name that connects both marriages theirs and Denis McLernon/Mary Jane Sands and it is a John Mallon plus from 1894 there is Sarah Sands/Sandys and from the 1908 marriage there is Ellen McLernon any thoughts would be gratefully recieved. Garngad
Mary Jane Wright was the illegitimate daughter born to Mary Jane Sands at Coagh in 1888 (top entry in the link below):
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1888/02499/1926788.pdf
A transcript of her baptismal record in a subscription website records the father as Thomas Wright and indicates that she went on to marry James Phelan.
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Well blow my socks gaffy because Mary Jane already had a illegitmate son Patrick Sands in aug 1884 (who brought me to her line) in Coagh/Cookstown and Patrick married a Mary Sands (she was born in Govan Glasgow but her parents org from Derry/Tyrone) in 1916 Govan/Glasgow and his cert says mother Mary Jane Sands jute spinner subsequently married to Denis McLernon then in brackets deceased and it turns out deceased was for his mother. So we now have 2 children born (both maybe different fathers as Patrick has no father shown) then his mother marries Denis in 1894. Got to thank you all for finding out what was very complicated (in my old greying eyes) family web , i still have to find where Patrick was in 1901/1911 wether in Ireland or Scotland before he married but once again many many thanks to all and gaffy for the last info very pleased i am to have connected the right family after all. Garngad
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A Patrick Sands in Coagh in 1911- age 26 (born c1885)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Coagh/Ballinderry_Street/857272/
If that the correct Patrick then this might be him in the same household in 1901 with a different surname-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Coagh/Ballinderry_Street/1727538/
Added- looks like Mary Phelan witness to death of Sarah Sands in 1920-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05133/4413603.pdf
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Cheers aghadowey good finds. was working on the premise that maybe the 2 children Patrick and Mary Jane born out of wed lock maybe where orphaned out but the later census showing grandson may discount that and also daughter Mary Jane (grand son mother) now married living next door makes me think other wise its just odd the two first born are not on the 1901 census with her. Garngad
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According to his civil birth registration, Patrick Sands was born at Urbal, Co. Tyrone on 20 August 1884, no father specified, the mother Mary Jane registered him on 11 September 1884.
I can see a transcript of a baptism in Coagh for a Patrick McCanny on 31 August 1884, the parents transcribed as Joseph McCanny and Mary Jane Crooks. I would like to see an original image of the register to see if it is possible that "Crooks" could be a mistranscription of "Sands", for there is a comment at the bottom of the record indicating that he was illegitimate and that he went on to marry "Mary Sand" on 24 October 1916 in "Gorran" (Govan?).
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Thanks gaffy though he has no mention of a fathers name on his marriage in Glasgow only that his mother later married Denis and his death in 1963 in Glasgow/Govan likewise only mentions his mother with her married surname. Garngad
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Does look like the puzzle pieces are fitting together quite well :)
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Added- looks like Mary Phelan witness to death of Sarah Sands in 1920
1926 emigration to Canada for Phelan family is correct the birth of their daughter Mary Elizabeth in 1914 states father James is in France with royal inniskilling fusiliers and daughter Mary then marries in Canada so i know now that connection is correct. Garngad
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Correct aghadowey with the help of all on here i have surpassed way more than i thought in such a short time I really thought it was going to be a brick wall and i am amazed truly amazed. Garngad
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Added- looks like Mary Phelan witness to death of Sarah Sands in 1920
See reply #11
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Aye was trying to quote that came out wrong ... Garngad