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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: haney on Friday 08 August 25 00:25 BST (UK)
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HI List
I'm wondering if it is possible to find the actual parents names listed for this marriage please.
I'm now collecting information on this couple. Many thanks Dianna
Marriage: 21 Oct 1822 St James, Haslingden, Lancashire
James Whittaker - Newrow near Love Clough
Matty Pickup - Love Clough in this Chapelry
Witnesses: John Dobson; Thos. Wilding
Married by Banns with consent of parents by William Gray Minister
Register: Marriages 1822 - 1831, Entry 53
Source: Original Parish Register
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Marriage by banns. Parents not named.
I would suggest starting by looking for them in the census to see their place of birth.
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Hi Neale 1961
Thanks for that. LOL I didn't think it would be that easy.
I have on the 1841 Census in Habergham Eves Twp James Whittaker age 35, wife Matty age 35. He is a Colour Mixer I think.
That occupation is listed on some of the baptismal records of the children.
I've tried to attach the census but it will not work sorry
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OH It worked that time. Good. My aim is to find out who this Matty's parents are.
There is only one record (haven't seen it though) that suggests her name was MARTHA ALICE and that is on the marriage of her daughter Elizabeth WHITTAKER to William PICKERING in 23rd APRIL 1863 at West Gate Chapel in Burnley.
Maybe some one has the actual marriage certificate for Elizabeth and Wiliam.
Witness's Martha Alice WHITTAKER and Jonathan (Elizabeths older brother) Many thanks Dianna
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Is this Matty in 1861 at Watkinson Court, Habergham Eaves?
Matty WHITAKER 58 Mar (Manager's wife at Paint works) Tatham
Susan 35 Barrow
Martha 26 Burnley
Elizabeth 24
Eliza 19
???? 17
Mary JACKSON 37 (dau) Love Clough
Alfred 8 (gr son) Burnley
Martha 6 (gr dau)
William 3 (gr son)
RG9/3072/21 pg36
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And in 1851 at 16 West Gate Habergham Eaves
Martha WHITAKER 48 (Mar) Higher Booths
Susan 25 Whalley
James 20 Habergham Eaves
Jane 20 Todmorden (dau in law)
James 1 Habergham Eaves (gr son)
Jonathan 18 (son)
Martha 16
Elizabeth 14
Eliza 9
Ormerod 7
Margaret 5
HO107/2252/239 pg44 &45
(Note the name I was having trouble with - Ormrod Enoch birth registration Dec qtr 1843 Burnley (21/203) mmn PICKUP.)
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Hi maddys52
I'm not sure really! I found two baptisms for a Mary and a Susan. Will try and attach here. It's possible considering the description of the husband. Would he not be head of the household though?? Many thanks Dianna
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James WHITAKER is not with the family in 1851 or 1861 - will keep looking for him. :)
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There is the "odd" baptism for James Pickup Whittaker at the age of 23. Mums name is Martha on this record in Habergham Eves.
Oh Wonder where James was?? Dianna
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Do you mean it is odd because James was 23 yrs?
He was already baptised at the age of 3 yrs at Goodshaw in 1833, along with Jonathan.
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Martha Alice was the sister not the mother. Re: witness to Elizabeth's marriage
Lancs OPC
Birth dates unless otherwise written
Mary 11 August 1823
Susan 22 January 1826
Thomas 23 April 1828
James Pickup 28 August 1830
Jonathan 13 November 1832
Martha Alice * 17 September 1834
Elizabeth 22 July 1836
Lucy 15 March 1839
Eliza Ellen 8 August 1841
Ormerod Enoch 7 November 1844 (bap. 6 March 1864)
Margaret no birth date listed bap. 18 August 1845
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Hi heywood yes I thought it was odd he was baptised aged 23!! Well I guess that is possible that the sister was the witness along with the brother.
That's the problem when you take too much notice of the "trees".
A lot of the trees say that the mother is MARTHA "Matty" Alice PICKUP. Possibly a mix up as I have not found a birth or baptism of a Matty/ie or a Martha in Lancashire.
I am descended from Elizabeth born it seems 22 July 1836. Thanks for that I've never seen it before. She emigrated to Australia in 1881 and died here in 1916.
It does say Thomas as father on her death certificate but of course that may be incorrect.
Thanks for the help and information
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Do you have Matty’s death certificate for her marital status?
Letters of Administration were granted to Susan Whitaker, one of the next of kin. Her death was 25th February 1870 and the probate granted in April.
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It looks as though Matty was buried in the graveyard of Goodshaw Particular Baptist church
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tws/
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GRO Index
Enoch Whitaker reg Burnley Union 1838 mother's maiden name Pickup - Died 1841 age 3
Eliza Ellen Whitaker reg 1841 Burnley mother's maiden name Pickup
Ormrod Enoch Whitaker reg. 1843 ditto
Margaret Whitaker reg. 1845 ditto
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Hi No I don't have Matty's death certificate, this is all new research. Thanks for finding he burial.
Don't know if James died before her! It is possible I guess seeing as Susan Whitaker was granted Letters of Administration.
That would be interesting to see! Many thanks Dianna
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Lancs OPC
There are two possibilities - maybe more on other sites
Matilda Pickup Born 10 April 1804 of Edmund and Elinor of Old Accrington bap. St James
Matty Pickup daughter of James and Ann Born 31 December 1805, abode Elton. bap St Anne, Tottington
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This might be a bit too early.
Lancs opc has:
Baptism: 1 Apr 1800 Wesleyan, Newchurch in Rossendale
Martha Pickup - Daughter of Alexander Pickup & Alice
Birth: ? Mar 1800
Abode: Holm meadow in the parish of Haslingden
Occupation: Woollen weaver
There are other children to this couple, one baptised at Goodshaw.
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Are you sure that the entry you are referring to of the 23 year old is a Baptism and not a Burial?
I am sure the word on left of the entry says Phthitis. So I would suggest it was a Baptism done when he was dying and someone was unsure if he had been Baptised as a child.
There is a death registration which exactly fits his name and age in Burnley Union in 1853.
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Hi Jebber well I'm not sure now LOL. I thought I could see a small word in the column. So he died age 23 in 1853, therefore he will not be on the 1861 Census just looked not on the 1861.
Thanks for checking that. Dianna
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From LANCAT
Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records
Testator's name: James Pickup
Occupation/status: Grocer
Place: Union Row near Love Clough Whalley
Date: 19 Sep 1857
Copy will is on FamilySearch
Daughter Matty Whitaker, wife of James Whitaker
Here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X7B-TZ
James Whitaker had left Matty and their ten children and gone to America :o
EDIT!
Add in full text link, the images can be downloaded (see where transcript is)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X7B-TZ?view=fullText&keywords=James%20Whitaker%2CPickup&lang=en&groupId=
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Hi just checked you were right, it was a burial for James Pickup Whittaker. Should have my eyes checked. Thank you.
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What a great find, jonwarm and how sad that is too.
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Hi jonwarrn THAT IS AMAZING Thank you so much. Now I know Matty's fathers name and what actually happened to James Whittaker.
Wonder what happened there! So the last child Margaret was born in 1845 and James the father takes off.
Well now we know why he was not on the census.
Curious why it say's on the 1861 Census that "Matty's husband was a manager at the paint works"
Many thanks Dianna
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1841 census Whalley, Union Row
James Pickup, 70 grocer
Betty Pickup, 70
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HI Neale1961 Thanks very much for that. Now I have Matty's parents, wonderful.
Will be interesting to see if James Whittaker came back to England. Shame on him!! He may have died in America perhaps. Regards Dianna
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Great find jonwarn. Explains why I couldn't find James WHITAKER in England.
I recall seeing earlier a Thomas WHITAKER in the US with parents James and Matty PICKUP. (A banking record on Ancestry) He is in Pawtucket, Rhode Island in the 1870 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFFH-4HW?lang=en
Also in various later censuses. Interestingly on his death his parents are listed as Thomas and Martha.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:D61K-M8PZ?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L984-9DPQ
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Interesting that his occupation is a ‘Color Maker/Mixer’ and he is the right age for Thomas b 1828.
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1841 census Whalley, Union Row
James Pickup, 70 grocer
Betty Pickup, 70
Just to note that this is in Higher Booths. As "Martha" gives as her birthplace in 1851.
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1850 census Johnston, Providence, Rhode Island
James Whitaker 55, colour mixer, born England
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snap! Was just about to post this. :D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJ6-1HR?lang=en
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:) Good research
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All this is amazing. I will read through it all again. So glad I asked the question!! Many thanks everyone. Regards Dianna