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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: ballydw on Thursday 07 August 25 20:25 BST (UK)
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Michael Halloran b c 1839 Callan Co Kilkenny Father Martin Halloran. I cannot locate Michaels baptism record have looked at nli registers to no avail. I am trying to locate his mothers name. Thank you
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Callan Parish registers here-
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0973
What years have you already searched? Have you tried neighbouring parishes?
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Where does Michael Halloran fit into your family history?
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Callan Parish registers here-
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0973
What years have you already searched? Have you tried neighbouring parishes?
Have searched years 1837 to 1840. Any records I have found so far all relate to Callan. Thank you
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I would try searching earlier then go on to neighbouring parishes.
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Where does Michael Halloran fit into your family history?
Michaels sister Catherine Halloran b c 1841 married a McCann in NYork. Their daughter married a relation of mine. Thank you
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My roots are spread all over the UK and mainland Europe.
I have found that the naming pattern of children is the same in each country, which presumably will mean that your ancestors did the same thing, so check the names you know against this pattern :-
1st son was named after the father’s father
2nd son was named after the mother’s father
3rd son was named after the father
4th son was named after the father’s eldest brother
1st daughter was named after the mother’s mother
2nd daughter was named after the father’s mother
3rd daughter was named after the mother
4th daughter was named after the mother’s eldest sister
Other babies were named after people who did great favours to the parents, such as a doctor or benefactor who gave the father a job. One of my OHs ancestors had twelve children and I recognised names of her friends (on census when she was a child) and as a child the next door neighbour was a captain of a ship - one of her sons carried that man's full name too.
Before motorways, autowegs, etc., people didn't travel far excepting to visit an annual market/fair which could be up to ten miles from home. So the couple could live ten miles distant from a "local" fair. So if two people each travelled ten miles , then there is a circle 20 miles across in which the couple lived.
It used to be really difficult asking familysearch, etc., for a name that was a middle name because the results would show the first given name , but these days the system has been upgraded and it doesn't matter which given name a person used, then family search will probably show the result. On odd occasions I found that census have given "pet" names such as "Peggy" for Margaret, "Belle" instead of Isabel", etc.
Added later: I have found that on the odd occasion the bride or groom's name has been transferred to being a witness name so look at all the names on any documents. e.g. one chap was asked the name of his first baby boy and nervously gave his own name the result on the official document was the father's name was given as the baby's name - and as the parents couldn't read the error went unnoticed until the child went to school and the document had to be produced and the parents were asked why the son's name was "X" and not "Y" as stated to the education board.
Good Hunting.
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Hi Ballydw
Irishgenealogy.ie has the 1869 Death of a Martin Halloran age 84 in Callan. Could he be the Father of your Michael. Unfortunately there is no image for this though. See
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=ea0ad8543e-860529
Cheers
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There is this baptism of Catherine Halloran -July 1842 with parents Martin and Mary
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635303?locale=en#page/139/mode/1up
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27th May 1837 - Michael to Martin and Mary Ryan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635303?locale=en#page/108/mode/1up
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The abode on both those baptisms is ‘Green’, I think.
Here is a baptism - 1825 so much earlier than those.
21st July - Maurice with parents Martin and Mary Ryan and abode is Fair Green
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635303?locale=en#page/36/mode/1up
Also Martin in November 1827
Marriage July? 1827
Martin Holoran and Mary Ryan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635303?locale=en#page/163/mode/1up
That brings into question the birth in 1825 but you can check it all out and see what you think.
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Sometimes children were not baptised for years...and then three or more baptised at the same time. I've come across children left of censuses until someone was present at time of Electoral calling to take names in property. Similarly, some families waited until they thought the family was complete before getting them baptised and entered into the Church Registers, especially if they lived in a remote residence, away from towns and villages. Even their day, month and year of births could be vague upon giving the information to the official taking the details.