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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Philezra on Tuesday 05 August 25 22:10 BST (UK)
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Hi.
Apologies if the attachment is too large/illegible.
It should be William Henry Seltynopp (according to the transcription in 1851 census).
Sister is Mary A Mitchell born 1825 in Plymouth. She has children James, Louisa and (also) William Henry.
Trying to find out his surname so that I can trace a marriage for her if possible.
Thank you in advance.
Phil
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Have you checked the gro website for the mothers maiden surname on the births of the children of Mary A.
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Of course...I completely overlooked that..
I found Lillicrap for the youngest of the children William Henry, but neither James nor Louisa...
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Hi.
Apologies if the attachment is too large/illegible.
It should be William Henry Seltynopp (according to the transcription in 1851 census).
Sister is Mary A Mitchell born 1825 in Plymouth. She has children James, Louisa and (also) William Henry.
Trying to find out his surname so that I can trace a marriage for her if possible.
Thank you in advance.
Phil
Did you forget to attach the document?
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Possibly Maddick?
William Henry b 1849 mmn Maddick
Later children - Eluzabeth J and James J with mmn Maddick
Marriage 1845 - William Mitchell and Mary Ann Maddick are on the same page
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Hi.
Apologies if the attachment is too large/illegible.
It should be William Henry Seltynopp (according to the transcription in 1851 census).
Sister is Mary A Mitchell born 1825 in Plymouth. She has children James, Louisa and (also) William Henry.
Trying to find out his surname so that I can trace a marriage for her if possible.
Thank you in advance.
Phil
Did you forget to attach the document?
No, it said I was too large. I have no idea how to decrease it!
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FindMyPast has it as Lillycropp
Marriage 28 Aug 1851 William Henry Lillycrapp & Betty Geake
WHL a cabinet maker, his father Thomas a labourer
image on FindMyPast
1841 Plymouth
Thomas Lilleicrap 1783
Mary 1787
Mary Ann 1823
William 1829
James 1841
all b Devon except Mary
271/20/34 Book 2
1861 Plymouth
Mary A Mitchele 1827
Louisa 1846
Henry 1850 all Plymouth
1440/77/54
1871 Plymouth
Mary Mitchele 1823
Henry 1850
2120/48/6
Possible for son James
Baptism
James Hender Lillicrap b 22 Oct 1840
bapt 1845 mother Mary of Cambridge Street (as 1851)
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(http://)
1879/179/53
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Have found a marriage for Mary Ann Lillicrapp 12/1844 Plymouth - assume husband died and she remarried?
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The 1844 marriage to Richard John Dennis has her father as William, a shipwright.
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That 1844 marriage record for Richard John Dennis confirms his father was William Dennis, Shipwright. Richard was living in Stepney and married Elizabeth Mitchell, daughter of John Mitchell, wool comber. So if you’re tracing Mary (possibly Richard’s sister), and her marriage lists a William Dennis, shipwright, too—that’s a strong match. The Dennis family likely started in Monkleigh, Devon, and moved for shipyard work. That marriage record ties the whole line together nicely!
For more digging, try:
FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org (https://www.familysearch.org)
YourRoots: https://yourroots.com/search-record/country/united-kingdom-england (https://yourroots.com/search-record/country/united-kingdom-england)
Cornwall 1881 Census: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/82283a.html (http://sites.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/82283a.html)
The 1844 marriage to Richard John Dennis has her father as William, a shipwright.
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Thank you for these - I have found further info which confuses/puts doubt into some of the suggestions.
I have Mary Maddick born to Jane Lillicrap 6/1842 Plympton St Mary Union. She'd married Robert Maddick 6/1842. However, MARY ANN Maddick marries William Mitchell in 9/1845.....youngest Mary dies 12/1844??
I have William Henry Mitchell born 6/1850 mmn Lilycrap.
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This ties in with the 1851 census where Mary Ann is living with her brother and three children..
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FindMyPast has it as Lillycropp
Marriage 28 Aug 1851 William Henry Lillycrapp & Betty Geake
WHL a cabinet maker, his father Thomas a labourer
image on FindMyPast
1841 Plymouth
Thomas Lilleicrap 1783
Mary 1787
Mary Ann 1823
William 1829
James 1841
all b Devon except Mary
271/20/34 Book 2
1861 Plymouth
Mary A Mitchele 1827
Louisa 1846
Henry 1850 all Plymouth
1440/77/54
1871 Plymouth
Mary Mitchele 1823
Henry 1850
2120/48/6
Possible for son James
Baptism
James Hender Lillicrap b 22 Oct 1840
bapt 1845 mother Mary of Cambridge Street (as 1851)
I've been unable to find James Hender Lillicrap birth....where did you find this please?
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Sorry for the error in reply 9.
I couldn't find a birth to go with the James Hender Lillicrap baptism. The baptism image is on FindMyPast.
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There is a birth for James Hender Grant, 1840, Plymouth
Mmn Lillycrap
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Is this the only James with mmn Lillicrap? Just trying to link her children when she's in the 1851 censuscas a Mitchell...
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Is James Hender Grant linked to Cambridge Street?
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The civil birth was December quarter 1840 vol 9, pg 368
This fits with the baptism posted by Comberton earlier and is the only ‘James Hender’.
As the mother is Lilliecrap, it looks good.
You would have to purchase the birth certificate for the details.
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Thank you everyone.