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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: JackB015725 on Sunday 03 August 25 16:40 BST (UK)
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Having trouble with finding information on Frederick Watson who was born in 1867 in Northumberland, England. I do not know who his parents were, or what specific church he was batpised in, but I do have this information:-
-He married Eleanor Rodenby formely Blenkinsopp (widowed) in March 16th 1901, in St. Cuthbert, Blyth, Northumberland.
According to census reports, he was a boilermaker in Northumberland, and lived with Eleanor at 5 Percy Street, Blyth, Northumberland.
Eleanor Watson nee Rodenby died in September 1938, and prior to this (unsure of the date), he went to America upon a sailing boat, and left Eleanor in Northumberland. I have no idea if he remarried, or if he stayed in America.
I would like help in:-
1. Finding his baptism, and parents, --possible 1867 in Northumberland.
2. Trying to find a possible death or marriage in America that would be appropriate.
I do understand that this would be quite hard, and I have had a lot of difficulty in this, and so some help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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-He married Eleanor Rodenby formely Blenkinsopp (widowed) in March 16th 1901, in St. Cuthbert, Blyth, Northumberland.
What information does this marriage have for his father. Who were the witnesses
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Marriage Mar qtr 1901
BLENKINSOPP Eleanor
Watson Frederick
Tynemouth 10b 245
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Thank you.
I have ordered the marriage certificate of Eleanor and Frederick over 4 months ago, and I am yet to recieve it. I do know that at this time Eleanor had 6 children (2 deceased) with John Blenkinsopp, and both of her parents, and her previous husband (John) were dead.
In 1891, she was reported as living in Bishopwearmouth, Durham, but it seems that when she married Frederick, she had relocated to Blyth.
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The 1901 gives his place of birth as Burnside, Durham age 34.
Did you order the marriage from the GRO, it should not take that long to get it.
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Thank you for your reply.
Yes, I have ordered it off the GRO. I have used the service many times before, and it seems that this time it has took quite long for a certificate to arrive. I'll keep waiting though and see if it comes.
Thank you for the information on the birth date and birth place of Frederick, this has helped me a little bit.
Thank you
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I think I would be chasing it if I was you. :-\. It could be lost in the post in which case they should replace it
In 1911 Eleanor is saying she is married but he is not with her.
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Yes, I'll try and get in contact with them.
This business in 1911 seems interesting to me. Thank you. In 1911, the census shows that she is living in Cowpen, Northumberland, with her children (with John Blenkinsopp):- John (and his wife Eleanor Shovelin), George, Mary, James, Robert, and John's daughter Ellen.
It seems weird to me that Frederick Watson is not living with her. Perhaps he had already emigrated to America at this point?
Thank you
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Could Frederick have left Eleanor ??? Do you know if he definitely went to the USA ?
There is this chap on 1911 census 22 Devonshire St Tyne Dock So Shields
Frederick Watson 44 Head. Boilermaker. Plater. Married
Mary Burns 49 Servant. Domestic Servant. Housekeeper. Widowed.
1921 census 41 Francis St, So Shields.
Fred J Watson 55 Years 7 Months Head. Boilermaker. Out of work.
Mary Burns 58 Years 8 Months Servant.
This Fred may have died in 1944 aged 76 years.
Sandra
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That couple are together in 1901 South Shields ;)
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He is not with Eleanor in 1921 either
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Thank you, very much!
This has certainly proved to be something indeed. My grandfatherwho told me the story (along with many other family members) said that Frederick "did a runner", and emigrated to America, leaving Eleanor behind.
Although, I wonder as to how correct that story is--could it be a lie? Becuase, I think that this Frederick Watson could well be the man I have been lookng for. The information matches up and it seems a strong possibility.
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Also, interesting that they are together in 1901 as well. Could this Frederick want to leave Eleanor immediately, or is he another man?
Thank you
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Do you think it is likely that he has been married to Eleanor for a couple of weeks and is showing in the same house as Mary Burns as well as Eleanor. :-\. The 1901 census was taken on 31st March.
It looks as though the one with Mary Burns could be Frederick James Watson :-\
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1921 census 41 Francis St, So Shields.
Fred J Watson 55 Years 7 Months Head. Boilermaker. Out of work.
Mary Burns 58 Years 8 Months Servant.
It looks as though the one with Mary Burns could be Frederick James Watson :-\
The Frederick J Watson with Mary Burns was still at 41 Francis Street in 1939. His occupation retired boilermaker.
His date of birth 26th November 1866.
Which fits exactly with this baptism at St Hilda's, South Shields
19 Dec 1866 Frederick James Wallgrem Watson, of South Shields, born 26 Nov 1866, parents Charles (mariner) & Jane Watson
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Looks like Frederick and Eleanor had a daughter together in 1902?? ???
WATSON, ELEANOR RODENBY
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 336
1891 Census at 20 Reed St Westoe South Shields has
Frederick Watson, 24, Riveter, b South Shields
Sarah Watson, wife, 20, b South Shields
Charles Watson, son, 2, b South Shields
William Watson, son, 1, b South Shields
1881 Census for Frederick the son of Charles & Jane at Eldin St, Westoe
Charles Watson, 46, fireman
Jane Watson, wife, 37, b South Shields
Charles J Watson, son, 16, b South Shields
Frederick Watson, son, 14, b South Shields
Alfred Watson, son, 11, b South Shields
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Also, interesting that they are together in 1901 as well.
As Rosie has suggested, it's perhaps unlikely that, as a newly married man, he would have shown on the same census with two different women, one in Blyth Northumberland and the other in South Shields.
It seems that the South Shields chap was Frederick James Watson.
Also the birth place of Frederick in Blyth in 1901 was given as Burnside, County Durham (as Rosie has already pointed out). I'm not sure where that was but I don't think there was any part of Westoe/South Shields with that name.
I think we might have two different men here.
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Hi JenB,
Those are my thoughts entirely. I think we can now, rule out Frederick James Watson, and conclude that he is not the man we are looking for.
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1911 census states Eleanor Watson’s marriage length as 32 years so is it possible her marital status here was referring to her first marriage, not the one with Frederick?
John Blenkinsopp m. Eleanor in 1879 which adds up 32 years in 1911. Of course she’s a widow from him though.
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Most likely, because she married John Blenkinsopp in 1879. However John Blenkinsopp was dead by 1898. So it seems strange that it doesn't record the marriage as 10 years to Frederick, and instead refers to her previous marriage to John Blenkinsopp. I wonder why that is?
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I’ve seen it where widows put their marriage length even though their spouse is dead, but not recording the (newest) marriage is odd.
Eleanor Watson their daughter born at 5 Percy St
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Thanks for that.
I had no idea that they had a daughter born at 5 Percy Street in 1902, this information has proved to be very interesting indeed.
Yes, I do agree that it is weird that in the 1911 she is not living with him, and she has recorded her marriage to the deceased John Blenkinsopp as 32 years, instead of noting the one to Frederick Watson--weird!
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The 32 years was filled in and then crossed out by the census enumerator.