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Hi
Arthur Edgar Jewson, was my great grandfather, born 10 Jan 1847 in King’s Lynn.
He married Amelia Caroline Wearing in 1868 and their daughter Mabel Lilian Jewson was my paternal grandmother.
The last Census I know to be him is 1891, although transcription has it Janson not Jewson!
I have found other records for the name Alfred Edgar Jewson beyond the 1891 census but the information they contain contradictory so I am not sure they do actually relate to my great grandfather.
Could he have died during WW1 and his civilian death not recorded and therefore the reason I cannot find anything.
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Hello, and welcome to Rootschat. I’m responding mainly to bump this up the list. I have had a quick look for the death but have not found anything conclusive.
I did note that in 1891 there are visitors in the Jewson household —Arthur and Elizabeth Aldgate — and in 1901 Alfred Jewson’s youngest son Edwin, 17, is recorded as nephew in the household of the same Arthur and Elizabeth Aldgate. This is consistent with Alfred having died before 1901, but it isn’t very strong evidence.
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Have you ruled out this one?
Deaths Sep 1895
Jewson Alfred 47 Camberwell 1d 557
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Have you ruled out this one?
Deaths Sep 1895
Jewson Alfred 47 Camberwell 1d 557
This might help to positively identify if he is yours.
The Standard
London, Greater London, England
Thu, 5 Sept 1895
Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-standard/178065537/
Sandra
Added Seems this one was married to Christine Shawl Eastwick in 1875 so not yours.......... :-\
Marriages Dec 1875
Eastwick Christiana Shawl King's L. 4b 967
JEWSON Alfred King's L. 4b 967
FIND A GRAVE
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01twi/
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Alfred JEWSON at 37 Albert Rd Peckham is with wife Christiana in 1891. So yes, he is the wrong one.
May I ask whether his name is Arthur Edgar, or Alfred Edgar? You mention both.
Also, welcome to RootsChat. :)
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He is in the Southwark area in 1894 electoral rolls, at Same address as 1891 census, 15 Thurlow Street.
If it the same Alfred he is at 77 Duncan Buildings in Finsbury in 1898 until 1902.
There is an Alfred in Clerkenwell in 1911 born in Kings Lynn, but he is 60. Mother Mary Ann is there and some children. Is this one of the other contradictory ones you found.
mckha489, I think this is the one you found.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218264292/alfred-jewson
Can't see him in 1901 census anywhere.
Ian C
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There is an Alfred JEWSON, 47, born Kings Lynn in 77 Duncan Buildings Holborn in 1901, with wife Mary (38) and a number of step children and younger children. He is a general labourer though. :-\
RG13/247/136 pg 43
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When Mabel Lillian marries in 1898 it does not say Alfred is deceased, which it sometime does. Also when Millie marries in 1908, the same.
Ian C
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There is a marriage, Southwark 1894
Mary Hunter and an Alfred Edgar Jewson same page.
They can be seen in 1901 with some Hunter step children
(Modified as doubling up info)
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Another to discount
Deaths Mar 1895
Jewson Alfred 36 Poplar 1c 471
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-norwood-news/178065934/
Sandra
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Amelia died in 1890.
Jewson Amelia Caroline 39 Poplar 1c 347
Ian C
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The one who married Mary Hunter in 1894 must have died between 1911 & 1921 as Mary is widowed in 1921.
There is this death
Deaths Jun 1916 (>99%)
Jewson Alfred 64 Croydon 2a 488
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Alfred is at 5 Wilmington Place in Clerkenwell in 1911, with his mother Mary Ann and the three youngest Jewson children from the 1901 census, Arthur, Beatrice and Olive.
This is the one I mentioned earlier.
Ian C
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When Beatrice married to Charles Hennessey in 1922, father listed as Edgar (dec)
Olive married John Halfacre. Olive died 1920
Olive Halfacre - 1900 - 1920 (aged 20 years)
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec London
Volume 1c Page 5
Sandra
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The son Arthur Edgar Jewson listed his mother on UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920 - 12 th June 1915
Died 1917 - mother sole leg on register soldiers effects
Arthur Edgar Jewson Birth Place Southwark, Surrey
Residence Brondesbury, Middx.
Death Date 27 Sep 1917 Death Place France and Flanders
Enlistment Place St. Pancras, Middx.
Rank Rifleman Regiment Rifle Brigade
Battalion 16th Battalion
Regimental Number P/1319
Type of Casualty Killed in action.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01twj/
Sandra
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Some of the trees on Ancestry have Alfred's death as 1940.
There is an Alfred in the 1939 register, born 1850, with three females, Amelia, Edith and Ethel, whose birth dates match with children of Alfred Edgar and Amelia Caroline. They are in Bromley.
There is this death in Jun qtr 1940
Jewson Alfred 89 Bromley 2a 1539
Ian C
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https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/f560a178-5f2a-42fe-868a-7b3635425c90
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The Bromley Alfred is a retired Butler
In 1911 in Bromley there is an Alfred Jewson age 60, who is a butler to a paper manufacturer. and married
And he says he was born Lincolnshire, parish unknown.
He has also helpfully said he has been married 39 years and has had 8 children, one has died.
Ethel L Jewson (in the 1939) can be seen in London in 1921. Teaching. She says she was born Bromley. So I think am sure this is a different Alfred. (Who married Amelia Ann Daysh in 1872)
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Hi
Thank you for the welcome to Rootschat. Also many many thanks to all for the replies.
Maddys52 – it is Alfred Edgar Jewson that I am researching and at the risk of a lengthy post here is what I have so far.
Arthur Edgar Jewson, born 10 Jan 1847 and baptised 31 Jan 1847. http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/kings_lynn_prims.html#1845
I have verified records for his first marriage to Amelia Caroline Wearing my great grandmother and for their daughter Mabel Lilian Jewson my grandmother.
[Although many people have a Matt C L Jewson as well as Mabel Lilian Jewson, this is definitely a transcription error.]
I have seen the records for a marriage between an Alred Edgar Jewson and Mary Anne Hunter [Widow], maiden name Anger born in 1861, and the 1901 and 1911 Census info would appear to fit them, except for ages but I know that ages can be wrong in a census.
1901 Census – Address 77 Duncan Buildings: Alfred; 47 and Mary; 38: Should be 54 and 40,
There are 3 step children [Hunter] and 3 children [Jewson] - Arthur aged 6; Beatrice aged 3; Olive aged 1.
1911 Census – Address 5 Wilmington Place: Alfred’s age is still adrift, step children no longer at home, but others are roughly 10 years older.
Electoral List Addresses for Alfred Jewson that would fit with above census info:
1898-1902 77 Duncan Buildings
1905-1913 5 Wilmington Place
With exception of:
1903,1904,1912 - Nothing found so far.
1907 - 10 Wilmington Place [from St Helena Place]
The following facts that relate to the Jewson’s are quite confusing/misleading to say the least:
London England School Admissions and Discharges:
Birth dates fit children, but address of parent, namely Alfred Jewson is listed as 35 East Street where as 1901 Census address has everybody living at 77 Duncan Buildings.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1938/images/31949_212936-00163?treeid=195750417&personid=172556877810&usePUB=true&_phsrc=FIf9836&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=18438609
1915 Army Records for son Arthur Edgar Jewson have mother listed as Mary Elizabeth Jewson – not Mary Anne, she has actually signed Mary E Jewson on receipt for War Medal.
Father given as Alfred, address 13 Chapel Row, although this information is crossed out and his mother’s details put instead.
I don’t think Arthur Edgar Jewson who died in the war is the son of Alfred Jewson and Mary Anne [Anger] Hunter mentioned on both the 1901 and 1911 census but I stand to be corrected.
1914 and 1915 Electoral List entries: Alfred Jewson at 13 Chapel Row, same as son’s army record, also listed 1915 is
Alfred Jewson at 45 St Helena Street, which is close to Helena Place [1907 address above].
I couldn’t find much for Alfred Edgar Jewson after 1915 so I looked for deaths around that time and actually purchased a death certificate for an Alfred Jewson who died 9th June 1916. Turns out to be Alfred Jewson of 13 Chapel Row, who died aged 64 in Holborn Workhouse and who was a printer– maybe why his details were crossed out on the boy’s Army record. Also makes him having been born in 1852.
1921 Census – Again details are for Mary E Jewson, not Mary Anne
Widow aged 59; Beatrice L Jewson [daughter] and John Halfacre [grandson] of 22 Little Northampton Street.
There are records linking both Beatrice and Olive to 22 Little Northampton Street, also records for Olive’s marriage to John Halfacre, the birth of their son and her death in 1920 which correspond with information in the 1921 census.
Further GRO research has thrown up the following records:
Arthur Edgar Jewson born 1895 Mother’s Maiden Name: Hunter
Olive Jewson born 1900 Mother’s Maiden Name: Anger
So far no birth record for Beatrice Jewson., there is a marriage for her which again links to the 22 Little Northampton Street address and her middle name appears to be Laura.
So if Mary E and Mary A are in fact the same person, and my Alfred Edgar Jewson is the one who married her the he did die 9th June 1916.
At the moment I am looking at https://col-burialregisters.uk/ , London and Middlesex area, between 1915 and 1921, but as the last known definite information for my Aldred Edgard Jewson was the 1891 census I am wondering if Alan maybe right and he died before 1901, even though he is on Millie’s marriage certificate in 1908. Could it be that the ‘deceased’ was just omitted or even that Millie did not know her father was dead, that is if he was!
Again apologies for the length of post, hopefully I haven’t confused the issue more but I hope the above explains my dilemma! :(
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These are the two families who seem to be getting mixed. I agree with mckha489 that the Bromley Alfred is not correct.
It could be worth getting sight of the 1916 death certificate mentioned earlier.
Deaths Jun 1916
Jewson Alfred 64 Croydon 2a 488
1881 census 4 Devonport Terrace. West Ham.
Alfred E. Jewson 32 Draper born Kings Lynn 1849.
Amelia R.? Jewson 31
Amelia J. (Julia) Jewson12 Marriage cert (1908) says father a Draper.
Lavenda L. Jewson 5 Marriage cert (1895) says father a Printer.
Walter W. Jewson 3 Marriage cert (1899) says father a Steward.
Mat C.L. (Mabel) Jewson 1 Marriage cert (1898) says father a Printer.
Julia E. Wearing 55
1881 census 18 Southborough Road. Bromley
Alfred Jewson 29 Head. Gardener. Died 1940.
Amelia A. Jewson (Daysh) 29 Wife. Died 1920
Alfred G. (George) Jewson 8 Son. Died 1955
Frederick W. Jewson 6 Son. Died 1959
Herbert E. Jewson 4 Son. Died 1908
Walter H. (Henry) Jewson 3 Son. Died 1963
Amelia Ellen Jewson 1 Daughter. Died Unmarried 1968.
Edith Elizh. Jewson Daughter. Died unmarried 1963
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thank you for your reply. The family in the 1881 and 1891 census is the right family.
I have discounted Alfred Edgar Jewson in the 1881 who died in 1940 in Bromley, the birth date does not fit and according to the 1939 Register his 3 daughters appear to have been unmarried, as you have stated.
I have attached the death certificate that I purchased in relation to the death 9th June, definitely has him going into the workhouse from 13 Chapel Street.
Confusion comes from Census stating Mary Anne being mother and Army records stating Mary Elizabeth, especially when the mother signed Mary E on receipt of medals and is Mary Elizabeth on Army Pension document.
Can we really have two families with father Alfred Edgar Jewson, children Arthur, Beatrice and Olive, one with Mother Mary Anne and the other with Mary Elizabeth ???
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I see the problem, two guys with the same name of a similar age both marrying women with the same christian name. Some of the trees on Ancestry would appear to have well and truly confused the two as well.
Ian C
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I agree that the 1916 death looks most promising.
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I agree that the 1916 death looks most promising.
You might also have to get the 1894 marriage certificate.
But Beatrice (child in the family we found in 1911) at her marriage says her father Edgar was a printer.
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One part of the son Arthur Edgar's army records state that his father is deceased. Declared by his mother in 1919.
Ian C
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Alfred moved to Wilmington Place by 1906 according to electoral rolls. Appears there until 1914 when he is in Chapel Row. Also there in 1915 and then disappears.
No Alfred in 1916 at all that I can see so as has been said before the 1916 death looks promising.
Ian C
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the 1916 death looks promising.
The Holborn Union had a workhouse at Mitcham, in Croydon RD.
So maybe a look at the London workhouse records on ancestry, see if there is anything for Alfred?
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FindMyPast has Southwark Vaccination Registers
Month - September; Sub District - Christchurch; Address - 46 Surrey Row; Name of Child - Arthur Edgar Jewson; Sex - B; Name of Parent - Alfred Edgar Jewson; Occupation - Printer; When Vac. given - 6 Sep 1895; To Whom Given - Mother; Date of Certificate of Successful Vaccination - 3 Jan 1896
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The Holborn Union had a workhouse at Mitcham, in Croydon RD.
So maybe a look at the London workhouse records on ancestry, see if there is anything for Alfred?
City Road workhouse
Admitted 2 February 1916
Alfred Jewson, Printer, C of E, born 1851. Says married.
Discharged, 5 February, as Edward Jewson, 65, to Mitcham
Mitcham workhouse
Admitted 5 February 1916
Alfred Jewson, Printer, C of E, born 1851.
Discharge, 9 June 1916
Alfred Jewson, 65, Dead
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In response to Maddys52, if the marriage certificate between Alfred Edgar Jewson and Mary Hunter would give me an address for Alfred that may confirm it was my great grandfather I am not sure how that would help because there still seems to be two families:
Mary Anne Jewson and Alfred Edgar Jewson having 3 children, Arthur, Beatrice and Olive
Mary Elizabeth Jewson and Alfred Edgar Jewson having 3 children Arthur, Beatrice and Olive
All records for Alfred Edgar Jewson who died in the workhouse 9th June 1916; Arthur's Army records and the girls marriages etc link to Mary Elizabeth whereas Arthur and Olive's birth records have Hunter and Anger as mother's maiden name, so I am left with Mary Anne and Mary Elizabeth being the same person which would mean that my great grandfather was the Alfred Edgar Jewson who died in the workhouse 9th June 1916.
But how does Mary Anne become Mary Elizabeth? ???
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The Holborn Union had a workhouse at Mitcham, in Croydon RD.
So maybe a look at the London workhouse records on ancestry, see if there is anything for Alfred?
City Road workhouse
Admitted 2 February 1916
Alfred Jewson, Printer, C of E, born 1851. Says married.
Discharged, 5 February, as Edward Jewson, 65, to Mitcham
Mitcham workhouse
Admitted 5 February 1916
Alfred Jewson, Printer, C of E, born 1851.
Discharge, 9 June 1916
Alfred Jewson, 65, Dead
Excellent jonwarrn - OP will be delighted.
All the best
Sandra
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jonwarrn, Sandra, thank you for the replies.
Trouble is that still does not prove that the Alfred Edgar Jewson who died in the workhouse was my great grandfather. His records link him to Mary Elizabeth Jewson not Mary Ann Jewson [Hunter] and sadly it still comes back to were Mary Elizabeth and Mary Anne the same person.
Meanwhile trawling through the burial registers for London and Middlesex I have seen my great grandmother Amelia Caroline Jewson's burial in 1890 and am continuing to search for any Alfred Edgar Jewsons in the hope that AlanBoyd was right and he may have died before 1901 census :)
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Hi all
Just found out that it's not mandatory to record bride or groom's father as deceased, so dates he appears on children's marriage certificate not going to be much help in tying down a death date.
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I think that Mary Anne and Mary Elizabeth are the same person - both born Watchfield, Berks c1861 (Mary A in 1891, and Mary E in 1921). I have no idea why the change in middle name.
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Watchfield PRs
1861 Dec 25, ANGER Mary Anne, d/o Arthur and Mary, lab.
1860 Aug 25
ANGER Arthur, 22, b, lab, s/o Thomas, farmer
BAXTER Mary, 19, sp, d/o John, lab
Both made their mark
Wits: Thomas ANGER, Jane ANGER
Mary Anne ANGER married Henry Alexander HUNTER first in 1883 and he died in Jun qtr 1894. She then married Alfred in Dec qtr 1894 as Mary HUNTER, hence the Hunter step-children with them in 1901.
Mary and Alfred's marriage is not showing up in the online PRs, so may have been a Registry Office one, so you would have to get it from the GRO.
The 1894 London electoral roll has an Alfred Edgar JEWSON is at 15 Thurlow Street in Southwark. This was his address in 1891, and could be the address on the marriage, or even Arthur's birth registration.
Ian C
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All can be discounted as your Alfred Edgar Jewson.............
Blackheath Gazette
London, Greater London.
Fri, 7 Jul 1893
Page 5
https://www.newspapers.com/article/blackheath-gazette/178352371/
Deaths Sep 1893
Jewson Alfred 40 Greenwich 1d 661
Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper
London, Greater London
Sun, 17 Feb 1895
Page 20
https://www.newspapers.com/article/lloyds-weekly-newspaper/178352399/
Deaths Mar 1895
Jewson Alfred 36 Poplar 1c 471
The Standard
London, Greater London.
Thu, 5 Sept 1895
Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-standard/178352428/
Deaths Sep 1895
Jewson Alfred 47 Camberwell 1d 557
Discounted - this last entry is an infant.
Deaths Mar 1899
Jewson Alfred Charles 0 Holborn 1b 484
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Discounted - this last entry is an infant.
Deaths Mar 1899
Jewson Alfred Charles 0 Holborn 1b 484
This one can be included though.
JEWSON, ALFRED CHARLES mmn ANGER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 689
Looks to be another son, but died not long after birth by the look of it.
Ian C
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Discounted - this last entry is an infant.
Deaths Mar 1899
Jewson Alfred Charles 0 Holborn 1b 484
This one can be included though.
JEWSON, ALFRED CHARLES mmn ANGER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 689
Looks to be another son, but died not long after birth by the look of it.
Ian C
Sorry, just looking to count or discount any adult - Alfred Edgar Jewson/Alfred Jewson.
Since Alan Boyd suggests he may have died before 1901......... :-\
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Hi Sandra, Eyesee
Have just purchased birth cert for Arthur Edgar Jewson [apologies because in first post I actually put Arthur and not Alfred ::)].
Address in 46 Surrey Row.
Checked Electoral listing for Alfred Jewson again:
1891-1894 : 15 Thurlow Street
Not sure about 1895 or 1896
1897 : 46 Surrey Row
There is also listing for Charles Jewson at 15 Thurlow Street in 1895 and at 46 Surrey Street in 1896.
Alfred Charles was one of 5 children that Mary Ann Hunter lost - 1911 Census - 8 children, 5 died, 3 living.
I have found births for all and deaths for 3.
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Apologies again - Charles Jewson at 46 Surrey Row not Street.
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Can't see Alfred in 1895 and 1896, at Thurlow St and Surrey Row, only a Charles as you say.
Back to Alfred at 46 Surrey Row in 1897
The 1901 census address matches the electoral roll. Pity they didn't have occupations in the electoral roll as well.
1914 and 1915 electoral roll address is 13 Chapel Row, which matches the address on the death cert.
Ian C
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On the 1911 Census with Mary Ann Jewson is Olive Jewson.
On the 1921 Census with Mary E Jewson is 9 mth old John Halfacre.
Birth of John A Halfacre registered Dec Qtr, 1920 Holborn - mother's maiden name Jewson
An Olive Jewson married a John Halfacre, Sep Qtr 1920, Holborn.
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On the 1911 Census with Mary Ann Jewson is Olive Jewson.
On the 1921 Census with Mary E Jewson is 9 mth old John Halfacre.
Birth of John A Halfacre registered Dec Qtr, 1920 Holborn - mother's maiden name Jewson
An Olive Jewson married a John Halfacre, Sep Qtr 1920, Holborn.
Olive Halfacre died in Dec qtr 1920 aged 20, so not married for very long.
Ian C
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Hi Ian
As the Alfred listed at 15 Thurlow Street in 1891 is my great grandfather [although the name was transcribed as Janson] and he is still there in 1894, the same year that Alfred Edgar Jewson married Mary Ann Hunter I think it all hinges on the address shown on the marriage certificate.
I will order it today and we will have to wait and see.
It still doesn't quite explain why Mary Ann(e) in some records and Mary Elizabeth in others, although Edith Ellen Hunter, Mary's daughter by Henry Hunter was housekeeper and went on to marry Alfred Morris in 1912 so would fit with the Morris family on 1921 Census for Mary E Jewson.
Maybe Mary changed her middle initial/name from Anne to Elizabeth because Alfred died in the workhouse and if that is the case and the marriage certificate can be linked to my great grandfather then that does give me a death date of 1916, unless I am missing something... :-\
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Just mentioning there is a religious creed register for the workhouse at Mitcham available
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31436_189653-00734
Alfred's is the last entry and some info from the one above has gone into one of his columns. Anyway, it does give an address for him, and maybe a new one for wife Mary?
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Many thanks Jonwarn
This is address that appears on son's army records where his father's address details of 13 Chapel Row, have been crossed out and replaced with his mother's details. Really do just need to prove that Mary A and Mary E are the same person, and that the Alfred Edgar Jewson that married her was in fact my great grandfather. Just hoping the marriage certificate gives an address for him that links him to the facts I already have.
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As the Alfred listed at 15 Thurlow Street in 1891 is my great grandfather [although the name was transcribed as Janson] and he is still there in 1894, the same year that Alfred Edgar Jewson married Mary Ann Hunter I think it all hinges on the address shown on the marriage certificate.
I will order it today and we will have to wait and see.
For info. - you may already have noticed this but just in case.......
listed on the next page Henry Alexander HUNTER address 17 Industrial dwellings, Thurlow Street - Year 1894
Year 1892/93 listed on the same page as Alfred Jewson is
Henry Alexander Hunter address 17 Industrial dwellings, Thurlow Street
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Hi Ladyhawk
Many thanks, and great find, looking more likely now that Alfred married the widow next door!
Watch this space and I'll post the address from the certificate which will prove one way or another that Alfred Edgar Jewson from 15 Thurlow Street married Mary Ann Hunter.
Again can only really speculate that Mary Ann(e) changed her middle initial/name due to the fact that Alfred died in the workhouse, unless I can find a Mary Ann(e) Jewson at a different address than 2 Margaret St, Farringdon Road in 1916 or 22 Little Northampton Street in 1921.
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Again many thanks to all who contributed to my search for death date for my great grandfather Alfred Edgar Jewson.
I now have his marriage certificate and the 'Residence at time of Marriage' is... 8 Friar Street ??? So no great help there. One witness was Arthur Algate and that was his brother-in-law, so without doubt Alfred married Mary Anne Hunter and it appears they had three children. Still no birth record for Beatrice and I guess I'll never really know why Mary Anne became Mary Elizabeth but everything points that way, with Alfred dying in the workhouse in 1916...Unless anyone knows anything different!
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Looks like Samuel Bellamin Jewson died Dec qtr 1862 Kings Lynn 4B 255
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
Many thanks for your info. Samuel Belman Jewson was Alfred's father, so my great great grandfather, and yes his death was registered D Qtr 1862. Have yet to find exact date. But at present looking to research Alfred's brother Charles who disappears after 1841 census and brother Frederick who appears baptised as Frederick Delaney and Frederick Indeacy and then potentially becomes Frederick Belman...Unless there were 3 of them!
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You may be interested -
Alfred's brother Samuel JEWSON was in trouble with the law aged 14 in 1854. Sentenced to 3 weeks imprisonment for stealing various items from his employer. An article about the case here:
Saturday, Oct. 21, 1854
Publication: Norfolk Chronicle
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The image on Ancestry for the baptism of Frederic JEWSON in 1836 is quite difficult to read, understandable that there are variations in the transcriptions. It does look like it ends with "y", so possible "Delany". But that could also be just the Curate's interpretation of the name spoken to him.
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Hi maddys52
Many thanks for the info. I will take a look at Newspaper article for Samuel and there are two different FHL Numbers for Frederick that I am hoping to check out sometime. But he is definitely listed as Frederick B in the 1851 census. Must be a thing with the Jewsons and their middle initials!