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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: JosiahS on Wednesday 23 July 25 18:39 BST (UK)
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A very long shot this in so many ways.
When my ancestor Isabella Rowntree nee Chicken wrote her will in 1818, she refered to her daughter as being Isabella Martin, wife of John Martin of Monkwearmouth (Durham), potter.
I cannot find a marriage between these two, but on FindMyPast there is a marriage for an Isabella Leonard to a John Martin at Bishopwearmouth in 1798. If she were a widow (no idea at this point) she could be the Isabella Rowntree who married James Leonard in Gosport in 1788.
What interests me about the marriage in 1798 is that on Boyd's index there is a notification that banns were called at Newcastle St John for the marriage (the Rowntrees were from Newcastle) and the spouse is refered to as Jn. S Martin.
Isabella the younger's niece Hannah married a John Shepherd Martin (a potter) in 1790 in Jarrow/Heworth and I have totally failed to find out where he is from, so I am intrigued to know if there is a connection between the two men. Hannah and John had only two children in 1794 and 1796 so it would be possible that Isabella was marrying her neice's widower?
Does anyone have access to the banns at NCL St John or the Bishopwearmouth marriages that year to see if she is marked as a widow or he a widower, or if there is any more information on John Martin?
Any other suggestions would be very welcome.
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For the baptism of Hannah 16 October 1796 Jarrow the father is John Steven Martin.
Daughter Isabell bap 21 September 1794 father John Martin - Jarrow
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James Leonard married Isabella Rowntree 3 April 1782 Gosport
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Burial, St Peter, Monkwearmouth, 25 Dec 1845
John Shepherd Martin, of [Monkwearmouth] Shore, age: 75
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1841
Sunderland, Monkwearmouth
Broad Street
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Thomas Milburn, 35, grocer, Yes
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John Sheppard Martin, 70, potter, No
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Many thanks for confirming that information.
Does anyone have suggestions regarding the marriage in 1798?
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I've just found Hannah's burial on 3 Sep 1797 at Gateshead St Mary - marked as wife of John Shepherd Martin
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cannot find a marriage between these two, but on FindMyPast there is a marriage for an Isabella Leonard to a John Martin at Bishopwearmouth in 1798. If she were a widow (no idea at this point) she could be the Isabella Rowntree who married James Leonard in Gosport in 1788
This marriage was in 1782 not 1788
Isabella is recorded as Roundtree. (Everyone, except the regular witness, marked)
Both she and James Leonard are “of this parish’
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I was looking at a will for this Isabella Rowntree
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvu/
The North East Inheritance database also had this record
1830
States daughter Isabella Martin and John Martin, potter, are deceased; pg 475 of Isabella's will mentions this also.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvv/
If you search for Isabella Rowntree, there are 4 refs. for her (including the 2 above) and also Thomas Thursfield, Catherine Craig and James Rowntree.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvt/
The will mentions the above 3 as grandchildren and also son James Rowntree, a search for Thomas Thursfield also comes up with details of a will.
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FindMyPast has an indexed burial 25 Aug 1830 for an Isabella Martin, age 72, at St Peter’s, Monkwearmouth.
Can’t see an image anywhere.
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Looking at the grandchildren.
There is an 26 Aug 1810 marriage of a Catherine Leonard to a Michael Crake at St Peter’s Monkwearmouth
Baptism? 24 May 1792 Newcastle on Tyne, parents Isabella & James.
Added..all saints, dissenters. But note on the FindMyPast index says “ Dissenters and others NOT BAPT AT THIS CHURCH.”
Father James is a Mariner (fits with a Gosport marriage )
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Burial image for Isabella Martin
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvw/
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Burial image for Isabella Martin
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvw/
How did you find that? Did you go to the Durham records before entering your search terms?
Or did you page through?
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Hi Mckha489
I always look here first to see if there any records covering the dates to look up
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvx/
Looked at the Monkwearmouth records for 1830 armed with the date
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So sorry, that was the Northumberland link, here's Durham
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvy/
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Many thanks for all that - I have the will and the request for administration from 1830 - there is another from 1840 as well - there seems to have been quite a lot of inaction on the will.
Isabella Rowntree died 1821 and, you are quite right, Isabella Martin in 1830 showing her calculated year of birth as 1758 which is correct for her baptism in September of that year. I can only conclude that the marriage in Gosport was the right one - quite a distance from Newcastle!
Thank you also for the baptism and marriage for Catherine Craig - I can now fit her into the tree!
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Does anyone know if it was legal to marry your former wife's aunt?