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Title: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: trevorwnz on Wednesday 23 July 25 06:41 BST (UK)

My 4GGF is Thomas Walmsley and I have found three potential 4GGM - what can I do?

28/4/1755   Elizabeth Beatson           Baptised St Wilfrid’s Church in Ribchester                        

7/1/1756   Thomas Walmsley - 4GGF   Baptised St Leonard’s Church in Walton-le-Dale                        

1/12/1754   Elizabeth Hacking           Baptised St Leonard’s Church in Walton-le-Dale                        

19/3/1764   Elizabeth Corbett           Baptised Priory and Parish Church of St Mary, in Lancaster                        

5/1/1777   John Hacking                   Baptised St Leonard’s Church in Walton-le-Dale parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Hacking         

15/2/1779   Wamsley and Beatson   Married to Elizabeth Beatson at St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire                        

8/8/1780   Walmsley and Hacking   Married to Elizabeth Hacking at St Leonard’s Church in Walton-le-Dale                        

4/12/1780   Walmsley and Corbett   Married to Elizabeth Corbett, Parish Church of Liverpool                        

14/10/1781   James Walmsley - 3GGF   Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

8/12/1782   Richard Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

6/2/1785   Thomas Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               Thomas parents Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

18/7/1790   Robert  Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               
parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

8/12/1793   George  Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

29/3/1795   Mary  Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               parents Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         

4/9/1797   Stephen  Walmsley    Baptised  St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby,               Thomas Walmsley and Elizabeth Walmsley         
                              
                              
Distances                              
38 miles    St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby to St Leonard’s Church in Walton-le-Dale                           
4.5 miles   Parish Church of Liverpool to St. Mary-the-Virgin, West Derby   

Any feedback most appreciated.
cheers Trevor Walmsley, Christchurch, New Zealand/                        

Title: Re: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 23 July 25 08:03 BST (UK)

Do you know what your Thomas Walmsley's occupation was? The one who married Elizabeth Hacking was a joiner and could sign his name.

Title: Re: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 23 July 25 08:14 BST (UK)

The Thomas who married Elizabeth Corbett also a joiner and could sign !

Title: Re: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 23 July 25 08:53 BST (UK)

Hi,

There are several trees on Ancestry which you may like to investigate. The only trouble is that you cannot be sure how accurate they are. You could contact the tree owners to discuss further, but to me it looks a very confusing picture without much actual evidence.

Most have Thomas Walmsley baptised 30 Sept 1763 at Hest Bank Lancaster with a marriage in Liverpool to Elizabeth Corbett (also from Lancaster baptised 19 March 1764) - the 1780 marriage records show both from the parish of Liverpool at the time of marriage (his occupation shown as a Joiner) with the children you mention being attached to this couple. They would have been 16 or 17 at date of marriage so possibly suspect?  Other trees show the couple from Liverpool itself (born c1760) and not from the Lancaster area so it is confusing. Their first born James was a wheelwright at time of marriage in 1814. Another son Thomas (1785) was married in 1808 and was a cooper at his marriage.

If you are sure your Thomas Walmsley was born in 1755 in Walton-Le-Dale then he supposedly died in the Preston area circa 1839 and the trees have linked his marriage to both Elizabeth Corbett and Elizabeth Beatson. My own thought pattern is that births in Liverpool are very unlikely to be linked to the Walton-Le-Dale/Preston areas.

There is another Thomas Walmsley born in Ormskirk c1755 (nearer Liverpool than Walton-Le-Dale) whose parents were James and Betty - James was the name of their first child born 1781 and another of Thomas's children was named Betsey - perhaps relevant - who knows?

My "guess" is that the couple from Lancaster/Hest Bank moved to Liverpool but I am concerned that they were very young at date of marriage that without real proof (such as DNA details) it really looks like an impossible task to get absolute certainty of the position. 

Unless someone else has some bright ideas?

Alan

Title: Re: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: familydar on Wednesday 23 July 25 09:05 BST (UK)

I have a similar conundrum with an Elizabeth in Berkshire around the same sort of time, too many generations back for DNA to be of much use.  I presume you've not managed to "kill off" any of the candidates in infancy or childhood?  Or found any Wills left by their fathers?

Jane :-)

Title: Re: How do I find the maiden Name of my 4GGM - Elizabeth Walmsley?
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 23 July 25 10:38 BST (UK)

related post here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=892015.msg7661214#msg7661214