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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: David Nicoll on Monday 21 July 25 21:57 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for a bit of local knowledge. Does anyone know where Camisour is in the Parish of Tarland?
It crops up in various documents I am interested in, but I have been unable to locate it so far.
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What timescale
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Hi, 1760’s is when I know it was there, farm or fermtoun, there was a school there as well.
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From this book
https://allanach.co.uk/stray-memories-of-strathdon-by-charles-christie-1938/
Camasour was a croft on the Inverernan estate and incorporated in the farm of Lonach. The buildings
were situated in the belt of timber at the roadside, a short distance to the west of Forbes Lodge.
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Thank you very much, that is fantastic.
Tarland is such an oddly shaped parish, in one of the pendicles!
I am interested because William Fletcher was schoolmaster there.
Perhaps the Lonach Inn is the school!
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The old school may well form part of the current building now named Lonach Coaching Inn. In 2021 and earlier, the property was Lonach Farm, Strathdon (ref: Streetview)
The Roy map from the 1740's (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=57.17954&lon=-3.12828&layers=3&b=ESRIWorld&o=100 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=57.17954&lon=-3.12828&layers=3&b=ESRIWorld&o=100)) has the original area denoted as "Camisore"
Istrice
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Thanks very much.
There seems to be a little confusion.
Roy seems to suggest Camisore is about where Lonach Inn is now, or a bit East Closer to where Inverernan is now.
The Allanach Document says in the woods west of Forbes Lodge.
And finally Aberdeen sites and monuments seems to suggest East of Forbes Lodge.
Conundrum!
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The farm of Camasour is listed in the 1855 valuation roll, property of Captain John Forbes of Inverernan. It isn't listed in 1865, 1875, or 1885. The only place listed under Inverernan in 1865, 1875 and 1885 but not in 1855 is Home Farm. Is it conceivable that Home Farm was originally Camasour?
Aberdeen University Library has some document(s) relating to Forbes of Inverernan, though the NRAS catalogue listing is rather less than specific.
Might there perhaps be some surviving estate maps somewhere?
However .... in the 1885 VR there is a listing of Inn and Farm, Lonach and Daldergy, property of Sir Charles Stewart Forbes, estate of Skellater. Deldergy is listed under Skellater in 1855, but not Camasour. In 1865 there's a listing of Delgach and Lonach Inn, and in 1875 it's Dalgirgy and Lonach.
Might there be a sasine recording the transfer of ownership of Camasour from Colonel John Forbes to Sir Charles Forbes between 1855 and 1865, followed by a change of name from Camasour to Lonach?
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Forfarian,
Thanks for the suggestions, I think there may be a lot of research needed here. You prompted me to look at the OS Name Books (1865-1871). On them Lonach is owned by Sir Charles Forbes of Newe and the adjoining Forbes Lodge is owned by Col. Forbes, so presumably just before Sir Charles bought Inverernan.
Camasour does not show up in the OS Name Books, so your first suggestion seems likely.
I think you are correct in trying to find if there are some estate maps or other documents which might help.
William Fletcher certainly seems to have had some links to that part of Donside in Tarland. He lived at Craigvegg, a pendicle of Candacraig, Camasour and Deskry.
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Roy's 1755 map
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/roy/index.cfm#zoom=15.0&lat=57.17970&lon=-3.12780&layers=0
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Hanes,
Thanks very much.
David
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Hanes,
Thanks very much.
David
That's odd. I deleted my post yesterday after realising that the map had been delivered in an earlier post.
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The wonders of computers!