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Hi everyone
I have had alot of good help recently and thanks to all. Looking for the Eureka moment with this family!
Just checking on my brickwalls! I dont have much on this family I have Margaret Brook(e)s in 1851 Bury Lancashire and she married James Cooper I have her death etc..the problem is her earlier life.
I know her father was Thomas from the marriage in Bury and I know she had a sister Jane Brook(e)s also in Bury 1851 she married Frederick Wilkinson St Mary Bury Lancashire 10th September 1851
I know her father was a cordwainer or shoemaker. On census both always state born "Whitchurch Shropshire" but I cant seem to find anything for certain back there or a Thomas B. who was a shoemaker..
Margaret born abt 1839-1832
Jane born abt 1830 roughly
Anyone any clues?
Thanks in advance.
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Have you already discounted this 1841 entry
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8978/records/13286249?tid=&pid=&queryId=548dd68f-2444-40f1-9069-fa4658fc10cf&_phsrc=kMp6&_phstart=successSource
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In 1861 Margaret & James are living with sister Ann & her husband.
Also in the same house is a nephew Henry J Brookes b Manchester whose father appears to be Ambrose according to other docs. Ambrose was b Shropshire so is presumably the brother of Margaret & Ann
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1841--John Street, Whitchurch, Wem & Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Mary Brookes Female 35 1806 Shropshire, England
William Brookes Male 15 1826 Shropshire, England
Ambrose Brookes Male 10 1831 -
Jane Brookes Female 9 1832 Shropshire, England
Margaret Brookes Female 7 1834 Shropshire, England
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Brookes
William
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1827
Shropshire Baptisms
Kinlet, Shropshire, England
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Probable death of Thomas Brookes. £3 digital image would confirm..
Burial image on Ancestry
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BROOKES, THOMAS aged 47
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in CLEOBURY MORTIMER Volume 18 Page 35
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Ambrose Brooks - full age, stone mason
Father Thomas, cordwainer
Mary Heys Withington - full age
Father Henry, stone mason
Abode: Pendleton
marriage 3 December 1849, Eccles
Witnesses Jane Brookes, John Huggis???
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Good evening
Wow - now why couldnt I find them! I am happy with the 1841 Whitchurch with Mary and children showing siblings. I was looking just around Whitchurch. The unusual name "Ambrose" has helped to open up this family. So they were quite aways from Whitchurch. I had to look Kinlet up on maps.
Oh yes I downloaded the death for Thomas Brookes in 1840 per your suggestions and it is indeed the one. Death certificate Cleobury Mortimer reg district
5 October 1840 Kinlet Thomas Brookes 47 yrs a shoemaker died spasm - wife Mary present at the death.
So a big thanks
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Mabel
CaroleW
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Children of Thomas and Mary - Baptisms in Kinlet
• Eliza Brookes 6 July 1823; Father – shoemaker, abode Upper House (burial 28 Apr 1825)
• Eliza Brookes 15 May 1825; Father – shoemaker, abode Upper Meaton
• William Brookes 23 Dec 1827; Father – shoemaker, abode Upper Meaton
Possibly this Marriage ?
1 May 1820 Kinlet Shropshire
Thomas BROOKES and Mary TAFT
Burial 11 Oct 1840 Kinlet
Thomas Brookes; age 47
Abode Kinlet
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There is another couple Thomas and Mary having children in Cleobury Mortimer and area, he is described as a labourer.
Possibly the one who married Mary Taft.
Mary 1821
Susan 1821
Ann 1822
Lucy 1826
William 1832
George 1838
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To carry on from Neale1961
Found so far FindMyPast
Elizabeth bap 10 May 1819 Kinlet of Thomas and Mary - father shoemaker
Eliza 1823
Eliza 1825
Thomas circa 1830 buried 26 March 1834 age 4
William 1827
Ann 13 December 1835 (Brook)
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Elizabeth bap 10 May 1819 Kinlet of Thomas and Mary - father shoemaker
To add - Abode for that baptism is "Baveney Wood". (well found amondg)
There is a marriage in Neen Savage
31 Dec 1816
Thomas Brooks and Mary Haycox
(Can only see a transcript)
There is a Catherine Brookes baptised in Neen Savage 7 Dec 1817 to parents Thomas and Mary
(Can only see transcript)
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Baptism
Ann BROOK
13 Dec 1835 Kinlet
Parents Thomas and Mary (Cordwainer)
Abode Wood Gate
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Elizabeth bap 10 May 1819 Kinlet of Thomas and Mary - father shoemaker
To add - Abode for that baptism is "Baveney Wood". (well found amondg)
There is a marriage in Neen Savage
31 Dec 1816
Thomas Brooks and Mary Haycox
(Can only see a transcript)
There is a Catherine Brookes baptised in Neen Savage 7 Dec 1817 to parents Thomas and Mary
(Can only see transcript)
Parents Thomas and Mary, occupation Shoemaker, abode Pavny Wood
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Hello all
My you are all up early today and researching! Thanks again I have looked at the original entries and built a much bigger family group sheet now, with all the children. I am happy with the tree now. Thank you for your time and interest.
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it's odd we cannot find baptisms for either Jane, Margaret or Ambrose and we only have the burial for Thomas.
So could they have moved between William 1827 and Ann 1835 possibly into another county? I'm not familiar with the area.
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Yes I know no baptism for Margaret Jane or Ambrose and there are so many more children that I didnt know about. What has mislead me abit is stating born Whitchurch (Margaret and Jane)so I concentrated there. I cannot find Mary Brook(e)s in 1851 in Whitchurch either widow of Thomas Brook(e)s. Thank you to all your efforts.
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it's odd we cannot find baptisms for either Jane, Margaret or Ambrose and we only have the burial for Thomas.
So could they have moved between William 1827 and Ann 1835 possibly into another county? I'm not familiar with the area.
1851 census
Ambrose Brook Head Married Male 23 1828 Stonemason Salford, Lancashire, England
Mary Brook Wife Married Female 21 1830 - Halton, Cheshire, England
Henry James Brook Son - Male 0 1851 - Hulme, Lancashire, England
BROOKES, HENRY JAMES mmn WITHINGTON ***
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 20 Page 218
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added, Ambrose maintains he was either born Salford or Manchester up and until his death in 1898.
1841 records not born in county
*** with Frederick & Jane Wilkinson in 1871/1881/1891 census
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I found Jane,
Baptised 29 March 1877 at Holy Trinity Bury. of Thomas and Mary Brookes - Whitchurch Salop- father shoemaker
In the margin it has born 4 November 1832.
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Hi everyone
Well I never, very well done, amazing - Very well done amondg.
What a find!
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A little off the subject, curiosity I'm afraid.
Ambrose married Mary Heys Withington 1849, their son Henry James Brookes was raised by his sister Margaret who married James Cooper.
Did Mary die or did they separate? Ambrose married 1863 Mary J Dixon Sunderland (1871 census) and in 1878 Sarah J Bertram nee Fairley in Sunderland. They had a daughter Louisa - Sept .quarter 1879 reg. Houghton Le Spring.
I cannot see the original marriages 1863 or 1878 to see if he said he was a widower.
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The last child I can find was born 1855. He says he's married in 1861, but that's when he's a lodger so that info might not be correct
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A little off the subject, curiosity I'm afraid.
Ambrose married Mary Heys Withington 1849, their son Henry James Brookes was raised by his sister Margaret who married James Cooper.
Did Mary die or did they separate? Ambrose married 1863 Mary J Dixon Sunderland (1871 census) and in 1878 Sarah J Bertram nee Fairley in Sunderland. They had a daughter Louisa - Sept .quarter 1879 reg. Houghton Le Spring.
I cannot see the original marriages 1863 or 1878 to see if he said he was a widower.
I had exactly same issues/feelings. I'm not totally convinced that the Ambrose Brookes/Brooks "Up North" is the same man who married Mary Heys Withington.
Marriage 12th june 1847 Shropshire(image on FindMyPast) Ambrose Brookes(occupation Mason), full age married Ann Howell. His father Ambrose Brookes occupation Painter. I cannot trace this couple after that date or any possible Brookes/Howell children. So is it Ambrose who married Ann Howell living and marrying "up north"
Still searching.
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added--answered my own question. 1861
Ambrose Brooks Head of family Married Male 46 1815 Labourer Chester, Cheshire, England
Ann Brooks Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
Amelia Brooks Daughter - Female 13 1848 Servant Bold Heath, Shropshire, England
Rosina Brooks Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
George Henry Brooks Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
George Jagnes Boarder Married Male 26 1835 Engine fitter Southampton, Hampshire, England
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I found the marriage on ancestry as mentioned at Eccles Lancashire and Ambrose Brookes is listed as a stone mason and his father is noted as Thomas Brookes - cordwainer.
I did find a baptism about 1820 on ancestry for a Baptist baptism in Shropshire it wasnt clear any parents listed.
I am inquisitive myself!
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FindMyPast
Thomas Brookes of the parish to Mary Haycox of Stottesdon by banns with consent of parents
31 December 1816 at Neen Savage
Witness John Walker and Lydia Caroline (no surname)
Mary signs Heaycox