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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: SiCallear on Friday 18 July 25 18:29 BST (UK)
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Hi - we have a challenge and are looking for guidance on where/how to start.....
In 1936 [Bilston, UK], Marjorie James married Dennis Roderick Callear. They had a son (birth ecorded 1950 in Wolverhampton, UK). As he may still be alive I cannot provide the first of my namesake.
Dennis Roderick Callear [d.1987] remarried in 1952 and went on to have three more children, one of whom has expressed an interest in finding out what happened to Marjorie and her son.
- There seem to be no relevant UK marriage or death records for a Marjorie Callear
- There seem to be no relevant UK marriage or death records for her son
I recall previously been told that:
- they had emigrated to Australia [this would be post 1950]
- that Marjorie remarried
- that both sadly passed away
Can anyone advise where we should start to look?
Thank you for reading
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Either of those 2 people could still be alive, you will need to remove their names from your post and heading
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Hi.
Can you please help me to better understand your concern - please.
I am a distant relative (of both), trying to help one of their immediate family members to hopefully make contact with or at least learn more about the individuals named. The names, dates and events are all taken from public UK records.
You are correct that they may be alive (of which we would see that as a positive!) but at this stage we do not what happened to them after 1950 - there is therefore as much possibility that they have sadly passed away, as they be alive.
I am not sure that asking for help to find X Y and son Y Y (b. YYYY in ZZZZZZZ) would be helpful and I have not asked for specific information such as addresses, telephone numbers, dates of birth, etc.
It is a genuine attempt to extend our growing family tree - not to misuse data and/or Rootschat.
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Rootschat does not allow us to mention living people
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Thank you for reminding me that i have a vague recollection that a family.member had suggested that both had sadly passed away.
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I will leave you to remove their names from your posts and headings then. I have modified my headings, hopefully someone can still help without reference to their first names. Presumably the ex husband is no longer with us.
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This is just an observation.
There is a long gap between marriage and the birth of the child. Then there is the further marriage soon after that birth. Just wondering if the child was from another relationship and then the possibility of a dfferent surname on emigration.
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If Marjorie married in 1936 she will no longer be alive.
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I would be inclined to agree that it is most probable that gives her age would be at least 105 (1936-16=1920) this would.support the recollection that it had be mentiomed that she had passed.
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Marjorie Callear
1912–2009
Birth 16 AUG 1912 • Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
Death 3 NOV 2009 • Victoria, Australia
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Residence
1967 • Balwyn North, Kooyong, Victoria, AustraliaResidence
1977 • Dromana, Flinders, Victoria, Australia
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Wonder if this is the same Marjorie?
Callear M Mrs 14 Mar 1952 Fremantle ORONSAY
(from Australia National Archives passenger index)
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Great find SS
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Although Marjorie has died - the son born 1950 may not have in which case his name needs to be removed from your post to protect his privacy - as per RC rules
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Marjorie Callear
1912–2009
Birth 16 AUG 1912 • Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
Death 3 NOV 2009 • Victoria, Australia
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added
Residence
1967 • Balwyn North, Kooyong, Victoria, AustraliaResidence
1977 • Dromana, Flinders, Victoria, Australia
Thanks Softly Softly - the date of birth that you suggest fits with a Marjorie James whose birth was registered in Q3 1912 in West Bromwich.
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Marriage. Victoria
CALLEAR
Marjorie
Marriage
TAYLOUR, Clive Huxley
1958
4665/1958
TAYLOUR
Clive Huxley
Marriage
CALLEAR, Marjorie
1958
4665/1958
SS
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Wonder if this is the same Marjorie?
Callear M Mrs 14 Mar 1952 Fremantle ORONSAY
(from Australia National Archives passenger index)
Thank you Aghadowey
This is very interesting. Her son would be aged ~2. Assuming all passengers are recorded, is there a reference to another Callwar?
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£3 digital image would confirm dob. Immediate download.
JAMES, MARJORIE mmn SAWBRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 1665
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Marjorie Callear Birth 16 AUG 1912 • Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
For info.
1939 register
Marjorie Callear born 16 Aug 1912 Residence Seisdon, Staffordshire
the date of birth that you suggest fits with a Marjorie James whose birth was registered in Q3 1912 in West Bromwich.
Marjorie Callear Age 34, married
Birth Place West Bromwich
Last Known Residence Wednesbury, England
Departure Port Southampton, England
Arrival Date 29 Jul 1947
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place England
Years in US 9/2/47
Citizenship Intention No
Height 5 Feet, 1 Inches
Hair Color Brown
Eye Color Hazel
Complexion Medium
Person in Old Country D. R. Callear
Person in Old Country Relationship Husband
Person in Old Country Residence 87 Leabrook Rd, Wednesbury
Person in US L. Holt
Person in US Relationship Aunt
Spouse D. R. Callear
Ship Name Mauretania
Marjorie James
Registration Quarter 1936 Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Bilston Staffordshire
Spouse DR Callear
Volume Number 6b
Page number 1577
Edit to add
D R Callear
Marriage Date 1936
Marriage Church Methodist Church
Marriage Place Kinver, Staffordshire
Spouse Marjorie James
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Although Marjorie has died - the son born 1950 may not have in which case his name needs to be removed from your post to protect his privacy - as per RC rules
Removed - thanks!
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Dennis Roderick Callear b 12.2.1909 died 5.12.1987 & left a will. Might be worth downloading a copy to see if the son born 1950 is mentioned. I strongly suspect he wasn’t Dennis’s son
Entry is shown in 1988 & only costs £1.50 (GBP) to download
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
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You need to also remove his name from the subject header in each of your replies - as does those others who have replied
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Wonder if this is the same Marjorie?
Callear M Mrs 14 Mar 1952 Fremantle ORONSAY
(from Australia National Archives passenger index)
Fremantle is a port city in Western Australia (near Perth)
Oronsay appears to be a liner which there are records of travelling to Australia in the 1950s.
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Marjorie Callear Birth 16 AUG 1912 • Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
Wow and Oh!!!
The amount of information and the number of matches makes this a great fit - the curve ball is the reference to the US ........ ALTHOUGH this appears to be a visit which pre-dates the birth of their son. Note reference to "citizenship = no"
For info.
1939 register
Marjorie Callear born 16 Aug 1912 Residence Seisdon, Staffordshire
the date of birth that you suggest fits with a Marjorie James whose birth was registered in Q3 1912 in West Bromwich.
Marjorie Callear Age 34, married
Birth Place West Bromwich
Last Known Residence Wednesbury, England
Departure Port Southampton, England
Arrival Date 29 Jul 1947
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place England
Years in US 9/2/47
Citizenship Intention No
Height 5 Feet, 1 Inches
Hair Color Brown
Eye Color Hazel
Complexion Medium
Person in Old Country D. R. Callear
Person in Old Country Relationship Husband
Person in Old Country Residence 87 Leabrook Rd, Wednesbury
Person in US L. Holt
Person in US Relationship Aunt
Spouse D. R. Callear
Ship Name Mauretania
Marjorie James
Registration Quarter 1936 Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Bilston Staffordshire
Spouse DR Callear
Volume Number 6b
Page number 1577
Edit to add
D R Callear
Marriage Date 1936
Marriage Church Methodist Church
Marriage Place Kinver, Staffordshire
Spouse Marjorie James
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The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
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Freemantle was the port of arrival and Oronsay was the name of the ship. She was the only Callear listed on the passenger list for that voyage.
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The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
Are you sure about the age? there is a person of the same name easily found online who appears to be younger.
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The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
That is a different relative who, used their middle name.
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The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
Still there in 2025
SS
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You need to also remove his name from the subject header in each of your replies - as does those others who have replied
As per your guidance, I have edited my replies to remove the name. Feel free to check/confirm.
The suggestion of the will adds value to the thread and is an avenue we will definitely pursue. Thank you.
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The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
The son born 1950 possibly lived in Derbyshire between 2016 - 2018 details from UK, Electoral Registers, 2011-2018
Are you sure about the age? there is a person of the same name easily found online who appears to be younger.
That is a different relative who, used their middle name.
No age aghadowey
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Here’s a link to the passenger record I posted if you want to check details https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:245T-5ZF?lang=en
it’s also on Anc*y if you have a subscription
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There are still 6 posts on page 2 with the son's name in the heading, which need editing by their respective posters.
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There are still 6 posts on page 2 with the son's name in the heading, which need editing by their respective posters.
Thanks Molly I just rechecked my posts and modified the one showing his name
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Whilst it seems that the recollections of Marjorie emigrating to Australia, remarrying and sadly passing away are true, ......
......the mystery around her son [b. 1950 - West Bromwich / mother: James] remains.
Can anyone help shine a light on him?
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Suspect he is still alive and living in Derbyshire.
SS
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Reply #26
That is a different relative who, used their middle name.
The OP is already aware of the Derbyshire person, as not being the lost son.
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Marjorie Callear
1912–2009
Birth 16 AUG 1912 • Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
Death 3 NOV 2009 • Victoria, Australia
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Residence
1967 • Balwyn North, Kooyong, Victoria, AustraliaResidence
1977 • Dromana, Flinders, Victoria, Australia
Morning. What are the sources for this information? Thanks
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australian electoral registers & victoria bmd records.
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Marriage. Victoria
CALLEAR
Marjorie
Marriage
TAYLOUR, Clive Huxley
1958
4665/1958
TAYLOUR
Clive Huxley
Marriage
CALLEAR, Marjorie
1958
4665/1958
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Hello (again). Can you also confirm the source of this information. Thanks
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Ref reply 33
As Marjorie has now been accounted for, it's possible the son may also be in Australia.
Apart from curiosity - his whereabouts are only relevant to the later children of Dennis Callear if Dennis was his biological father which is probably unlikely. Have any of those children done a DNA test?
If he is still alive - I doubt he would want his personal details broadcast over the internet as there is sufficient info in this post about Marjorie for anybody to make the connection.
Dennis died 1987 & left a will. Any mention of ??? in that will?
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Marjorie remarried but her death is recorded as Callear, so she may have divorced Clive Huxley Taylour. When she married him, her son was about 8. Did he take his step-father's surname? Did he retain that surname when Marjorie changed hers back?
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Marjorie remarried but her death is recorded as Callear, so she may have divorced Clive Huxley Taylour. When she married him, her son was about 8. Did he take his step-father's surname? Did he retain that surname when Marjorie changed hers back?
Several notices in the Personal announcements section of the The Age, July 21 1976
Beloved and loving husband, Dear father, Beloved youngest son, Dearly loved brother
Dearest Son in Law & loved Brother in Law (these are Marjorie’s family - names match those on 1921 census Marjorie is transcribed as Majoris JAMES 1912 West Bromwich, Staffordshire living in Worcestershire England with her family
Not added names as only know that Marjorie is deceased - unfortunately there is no mention of a stepson ??? If you have a subscription the image can be viewed on Anc*y Australia, Newspaper Vital Notices, 1831-2001 here's the link http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvk/
For info. Marjorie’s mother is on the same 1947 passenger list (line 16) it looks as if she passed away in Australia 1979 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/244334181/margaret-may-james
Perhaps looking for a death notice for Marjorie and/or her family members to see if he's mentioned there :-\
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australian electoral registers & victoria bmd records.
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Thanks SS - I have actually managed to use the different resources that you have referenced to find out that four other family members emigrated to Australia.
I have not been able to find the record of Marjorie's death. I am looking for Marjorie CALLEAR then TAYLOR on victoria bmd records. ???
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Marjorie remarried but her death is recorded as Callear, so she may have divorced Clive Huxley Taylour. When she married him, her son was about 8. Did he take his step-father's surname? Did he retain that surname when Marjorie changed hers back?
Several notices in the Personal announcements section of the The Age, July 21 1976
Beloved and loving husband, Dear father, Beloved youngest son, Dearly loved brother
Dearest Son in Law & loved Brother in Law (these are Marjorie’s family - names match those on 1921 census Marjorie is transcribed as Majoris JAMES 1912 West Bromwich, Staffordshire living in Worcestershire England with her family
Not added names as only know that Marjorie is deceased - unfortunately there is no mention of a stepson ??? If you have a subscription the image can be viewed on Anc*y Australia, Newspaper Vital Notices, 1831-2001 here's the link http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvk/
For info. Marjorie’s mother is on the same 1947 passenger list (line 16) it looks as if she passed away in Australia 1979 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/244334181/margaret-may-james
Perhaps looking for a death notice for Marjorie and/or her family members to see if he's mentioned there :-\
I do not currently have an Ancestry subscription as I only tend to do the family tree during the cold winter months! This is just a challenge that popped up.
Coincidentally, Marjorie's mum is laid to rest at the same cemetery as another Callear (one who is closely related to me but not Marjorie). All that way and yet they end up so close together!!
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Reply #42 "I am looking for Marjorie CALLEAR then TAYLOR on victoria bmd records."
The marriage quoted in Reply #38 has spelling Taylour.
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Reply #42 "I am looking for Marjorie CALLEAR then TAYLOR on victoria bmd records."
The marriage quoted in Reply #38 has spelling Taylour.
Taylour is the correct surname.
SS
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Thanks SS - I have actually managed to use the different resources that you have referenced to find out that four other family members emigrated to Australia.
I have not been able to find the record of Marjorie's death. I am looking for Marjorie CALLEAR then TAYLOR on victoria bmd records. ???
Victoria BMD has restrictions to recognise sensitivity of personal information
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/search-your-family-history
restrictions for
Birth 100 years after date of birth
Death 30 years after date of death - (reply 9 death 3 Nov 2009 Victoria)
Marriage 60 years after the date
That explains why I couldn't find her death registration either on Victoria BMD, her husbands death entry is listed 1976 (49 years) and their 1958 marriage is listed (67 years)
If he’s not mentioned on the Will, a long shot might it be worth getting their m/c
just in case he is a witness ??? EDIT oops forget that he wouldn’t be old enough ::)