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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: danielr on Friday 18 July 25 10:01 BST (UK)
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Greetings! I am delving deeper into my Grandfather's side of the tree as I'm finding the common names and lack of middle names hard to research. He spent a long time looking into records and recalling memories to write somewhat of an autobiography, which he gave to me completed in 2019/2020. Unfortunately most of the dates in this book are assumptions as he does not remember the exact years of various events (he permanently left England over 50 years ago) and so I am having a mission finding basically anything about his paternal family.
One side I am stuck on is "Aunty Mary": Mary married Joseph Davison - I have found their marriage record: Mary Jane Robinson, daughter of Robert (which my grandfather remembers), married Joseph Davison in March 1939 (cannot find them in the 1939 register, though). Their estimated birth years on FamilySearch are 1917, but Mary was born in Q3 1916 as the MMN (McPherson) on FreeBMD matches. My grandfather remembers that they had a son a year later - he may be still alive as far as I know so will not divulge more details. He also claims that Mary married after Joseph, but does not know names or dates, and assumes she died around 1994 (although other assumed dates have been incorrect).
Joseph's father on his marriage record is listed as 'Joseph Davison', and my grandfather believes Joseph (Jr.) died in 1974. My grandfather says that he had a brother named 'Harry', who married a 'Molly' and lived next door to my grandfather growing up as he was friends with their (now late) son. I haven't been able to find any details on Harry, Molly, or anything like a common MMN on FreeBMD - but my grandparents are still in contact with Harry's son's wife so will try see if she remembers anything.
Would greatly appreciate any help/findings from you wonderful legends!
Thank you!
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Re Joseph D who died c 1974 where in Northumberland did he live?
Nothing obvious for death reg that year in NBL.
Only 1 born 1880
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The marriage was registered in Northumberland Central RD.
There are no guarantees they remained within the same RD but there are quite a number of Davison/Robinson births in Northumberland Central from 1939 - including one in the same qtr as the marriage.
The first after 1939 in that RD was 1945
Deaths 1973 - 1975 do not show a likely match for Joseph. Is any age shown for him on the 1939 marriage cert
Can you clarify what you mean by "he permanently left England over 50yrs ago"
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The Newcastle Journal, 3 Jun 1972, has an article about Stamfordham, Northumberland that includes a photograph of a Molly Davison of the village. It appears to be a common name.
NOTE - date corrected from Jan to Jun. Apologies if anyone sent on wild goose chase.
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I can see Robert Robinson and Jane McPhersons Marriage 31 Dec 1903 Woodhorn on FreeREG
+ bapts of their children Robert 16 Nov 1904 and Mary Jane 06 Jul 1916 Seaton Hirst
Joseph Davison a little harder to track without more info.
Trish :)
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One side I am stuck on is "Aunty Mary": Mary married Joseph Davison - I have found their marriage record: Mary Jane Robinson, daughter of Robert (which my grandfather remembers), married Joseph Davison in March 1939 (cannot find them in the 1939 register, though). Their estimated birth years on FamilySearch are 1917, but Mary was born in Q3 1916 as the MMN (McPherson) on FreeBMD matches. My grandfather remembers that they had a son a year later - he may be still alive as far as I know so will not divulge more details. He also claims that Mary married after Joseph, but does not know names or dates, and assumes she died around 1994 (although other assumed dates have been incorrect).
They are on the 1939 Register in Ashington and Mary J does have a subsequent married name of Darling recorded
If you are using Ancestry then she has been incorrectly transcribed using the surname Darling and Joseph is transcribed as 'Joseth' Davison.
Boo
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Excellent find Boo👏👏
Joseph's birthdate slightly different but Death 1970 Newcastle Central b 21.3.1917
Davison/Darling marriage was 1979 again in Newcastle Central. He was Thomas F Darling
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Mary J Darling b 6.6.1916 died 1998 Northumberland Central
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Good work Boo :)
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Good work Boo :)
Thanks Trish and Carole
Can't take any credit - FindMyPast transcription meant I found them easily but as Ancestry seems to be more widely used I looked to see how it was transcribed on there.
Boo
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Oh you are all absolutely fantastic - thank you so much for your finds!
Looks like Joseph's MMN may also be 'Davison'. Haven't been able to find a Harry or Harold so could be a middle name? Will see if their daughter-in-law remembers anything.
Re Joseph D who died c 1974 where in Northumberland did he live?
Nothing obvious for death reg that year in NBL.
Only 1 born 1880
Don't know for certain but marriage is registered in North Seaton and he worked at Ashington (no dates given).
Can you clarify what you mean by "he permanently left England over 50yrs ago"
My grandfather married, had children and relocated to New Zealand 50 years ago. I don't believe he has been back since and don't believe he has maintained contact with anyone other than his brother.
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Joseph's father on his marriage record is listed as 'Joseph Davison', and my grandfather believes Joseph (Jr.) died in 1974. My grandfather says that he had a brother named 'Harry', who married a 'Molly' and lived next door to my grandfather growing up as he was friends with their (now late) son. I haven't been able to find any details on Harry, Molly, or anything like a common MMN on FreeBMD - but my grandparents are still in contact with Harry's son's wife so will try see if she remembers anything.
Do you have a rough idea of the timeframe in which your Granda lived next door to Harry and Molly and their son (as he's deceased do you know this son's first name?)and was this in Ashington?
I'm exploring an "outside chance possible" but am still looking for something more tangible so I can avoid sending you down a rabbit hole.
Boo
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Joseph's father on his marriage record is listed as 'Joseph Davison', and my grandfather believes Joseph (Jr.) died in 1974. My grandfather says that he had a brother named 'Harry', who married a 'Molly' and lived next door to my grandfather growing up as he was friends with their (now late) son. I haven't been able to find any details on Harry, Molly, or anything like a common MMN on FreeBMD - but my grandparents are still in contact with Harry's son's wife so will try see if she remembers anything.
Do you have a rough idea of the timeframe in which your Granda lived next door to Harry and Molly and their son (as he's deceased do you know this son's first name?)and was this in Ashington?
I'm exploring an "outside chance possible" but am still looking for something more tangible so I can avoid sending you down a rabbit hole.
Boo
They all lived on Maple Street in Ashington. My grandfather lived there from his birth until 1967. The son's name was Alan and he had an older sister named Sheila (my grandfather does not remember anything else about her). No mention of if/when they relocated but Alan married in 1969.
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ok so this is still still a long shot possible but is slightly more possible given the son's name of Alan
As the 1939 register said Joseph Davison was born 1917, I looked for him in 1921 living in Ashington
The 1921 required ages to be recorded in years and months.
Joseph's death registration in 1970 gave a birth date of 21 Mar 1917 and the 1921 census date was taken 19 June 1921, so he'd have been 4 years and 3 months old and there is one entry which matches that. The father on the return is not named Joseph.
BUT this child Joseph is listed as being an 'adopted son' (though they already have a son of that name,so it must have been confusing!)and the record says his mother is dead and the Davison family who had adopted him also had a son called Henry Drysdale Davison .
Henry Drysdale Davison married Mary F Lee Q1 1931 Morpeth
Harry is often used as an alternate for Henry and Molly for Mary
and searching FreeBMD births 1931-1950 surname Davison MMN Lee in Northumberland
shows Alan's older sister you mentioned born in 1931 and Alan in Q1 1943 Northumberland Central 10b 567
The 1939 register has Henry D and Mary F listed in Ashington as Davidson, plus one redacted entry which is likely to be their daughter
Boo
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I got really nosey and think I can now move my theory from 'slightly more possible' to 'ooh, this could be likely' :)
Do check it all out very carefully though. I believe it is correct but am as capable of taking a wrong turn as anyone else.
I looked into the Davisons who had this 'adopted son' in 1921 and now have the following info for Joseph's mother which ties him in to the family who adopted him
1884 Births Q3 Morpeth 10b 393 Davison, Maud Mary, MMN Young
1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H3K1-C2M?lang=en
(the James W (8) is her brother who eventually adopted her son Joseph)
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSM1-BDC?lang=en
1910 Marriages Q4 Rothbury 10b 815 Maud M Davison & Joseph Davison
1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM1-B7W?lang=en
1917 Births Q1 Morpeth 10b 813 Joseph Davison MMN Davison
1917 Deaths Q2 Morpeth 10b 542 Maud M Davison age 31
Joseph's birth register entry confirms his parents and the digital copy of Maud Mary's death register entry would confirm the name/occupation of her husband and the address should match with the birth address.
Boo