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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Taffster on Tuesday 15 July 25 07:33 BST (UK)
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Following some recent help, I have discovered that one of my family members, Sidney Peagam b. 1856 in England emigrated to the states in 1882. In 1894 he filed for divorce from his Wife (Sarah Jane Lloyd) A copy of the divorce paperwork states he lives in Lewis Washington, however I have been unable to find him. He had a brother John Peagam b. 1871 England who also emigrated to the states in 1888 and used the name John P Raymond. Using this name I have been able to locate him in the 1910, 1920 and 1930 censuses living in the counties of King, Thurston and Lewis respectively. He died in Lewis County in 1942. Maybe he too changed his name or was absent when the censuses were conducted. I have been unable to find any trace of him in passenger lists etc. Maybe he entered from Canada. Any help would be appreciated.
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When he married the name was spelled Pragram (transcription) 31 October 1880 he was 24
Sarah Jane Lloyd was also 24.
They have daughter Presswood Matilda "Pigham" 12 September 1881 born in the workhouse hospital.
A daughter Olive Evelina "Pigham" reg 1884 at Newport mother's maiden name Lloyd .
Is it because the workhouse register of 6 January 1883 describes her as the deserted wife of Sidney
that you believe he left in 1882 ? If so that would make Olive illegitimate.
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John Peagham 17, Fred Peagham 18 and Julia Peagham 15, all went out together arriving 14 May 1888.
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His surname was mispelt as Bigham, Pigham, Pragam, Pigden, Peahan etc. Yes he was in the states in 1882 and Olive is illegitimate. How do I upload file ? there is no option, it just says attachments, but no boxes. I have a document I created which is a timeline
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Here is your earlier thread - just for information
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=892593.0
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It's changed a bit since then, but that's pretty good
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How do I upload file ?
This is a Lookup Request board - the functionality to upload attachments is disabled on Lookup boards.
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When he married the name was spelled Pragram (transcription) 31 October 1880 he was 24
Sarah Jane Lloyd was also 24.
They have daughter Presswood Matilda "Pigham" 12 September 1881 born in the workhouse hospital.
A daughter Olive Evelina "Pigham" reg 1884 at Newport mother's maiden name Lloyd .
Is it because the workhouse register of 6 January 1883 describes her as the deserted wife of Sidney
that you believe he left in 1882 ? If so that would make Olive illegitimate.
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John Peagham 17, Fred Peagham 18 and Julia Peagham 15, all went out together arriving 14 May 1888.
Do you have a link or reference for John and his Siblings entering the states ? Thanks
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It's on ancestry.
Easy to find, arrival date 14 May 1888 in Halifax Nova Scotia.
When you click on it it shows they are going to Seattle Washington
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Am on Findmypast can't find him on here.
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It's here - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q9P-2C8?lang=en
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From the link Ladyhawk gave you on the other thread
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tuz/
Pg 437 has a statement from Julia Hurn, relationship stated as sister, her husband B.F.Hurn is mentoned first on Pg. 435
There is a marriage on the on the site you are using
Benjamin F. Hurn to Julia Raymond
2 Jul 1891 Chehalis, Lewis, Washington
They both confirm they have a brother Chauncey who has died.
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Main refs. for Benjamin on this first page and a couple more next page
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvf/
in case it helps in the search, a few marriages too.
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The legal notice in the newspaper was in The Chehalis Bee
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvg/
The Chehalis Bee is on google newspapers
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvh/
Starts Feb 1897 to Nov 1898
Just adding this bit in case it helps anyone looking at passenger lists
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvi/
Two years after marrying he went to France, located in Washington but spent 2 winters in California.
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It looks like Benjamin & Julia divorced in 1898.
Start here - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95X4-9JHQ?view=index&cc=1930340&lang=en&groupId= - and keep going to the next image to the right. Benjamin said that Julia threatened to kill him and called him bad names.
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I wonder if this is Julia.
Marriage record to J.H. Riley in Lewis Co., Washington on 3 July 1920. She is listed as Julia Carroll, but her parents were Thomas Raymond and Liza Radler. The Radler seems close to the Ridler/Redler mentioned as the mother's maiden name and Sidney's middle name in the previous thread.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLF1-NLW?lang=en
Here's Julia Hurn marrying J. William Carroll in California in 1899 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G93H-R7C3?view=fullText&keywords=Julia%20Hurn%2CHurn%20Julia&lang=en&groupId=
The 1900 census has a James W. Carroll & wife Julia living in Chehalis Co., Washington as camp cooks. They had been married for 2 years, so that would have fit with her remarrying after the divorce from Benjamin. Julia's age and year of arrival are somewhat close to Julia Peagam.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMPZ-NZW?lang=en
James & Julia seem to be together in 1910 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGJ6-35N?lang=en
The 1920 census has a James Carroll as a cook in a labor camp, single, age 48, b. Illinois in Logan, Lewis Co., Washington. The 1930 census has a divorced James W. Carroll in Marshfield, Oregon who is a cook in a logging camp. So those would seem to fit with he & Julia splitting/divorcing around that time and Julia getting married to Mr. Riley in 1920.
If this is the right Julia, she died in 1935. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N35G-3W5?lang=en
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Might Sidney have become Ernest P. Raymond?
Ernest P. Raymond is listed as brother of the groom in a wedding announcement for Frederick A. Raymond & Esther Davis in 1896 in Washington. John P. Raymond also attended. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-post-intelligencer-marriage-of-raymo/176751502/
Ernest's marriage license seems to have his middle name as Peagam - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99J7-77ZH?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPMT-16PG&action=view&cc=1534448&lang=en&groupId=
Naturalization records for Ernest - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95XH-9SD9?view=fullText&keywords=Ernest%20P%2CRaymond&lang=en&groupId=
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5XH-9MG8?view=fullText&keywords=Earnest%20P%20Raymond%2CEarnest%20P%2CRaymond&lang=en&groupId=
Ernest died in 1920. death certificate - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-688S-YJG?i=1123&lang=en
death notice - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-news-tribune/105652667/
Julia Carroll Riley is mentioned in his estate papers, as well as Fred Raymond, John Raymond, and J. H. Riley. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-post-intelligencer-marriage-of-raymo/176751502/
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Ernest in 1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGV3-S64?lang=en
1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV2K-4FL9?lang=en
Ernest passed away at the home of his sister Mrs. J.P. Reilly of Littell - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-tacoma-daily-ledger/176753164/
Ernest's burial - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tvj/
The Mary that is on his gravestone seems to be the sister of his wife - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70012263/mary-gertrude-sanders
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I wonder if this is Julia.
If this is the right Julia, she died in 1935. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N35G-3W5?lang=en
The Chehalis Bee-Nugget
Friday, November 15, 1935
Chehalis, Washington
Page 3
Mrs. Julia Riley.
Mrs. Julia Riley, 59, died Wednesday evening her home in Littell, following an extended illness. She was born in England and had been a resident of Lewis county since coming to the United States in 1888. Surviving relatives are two brothers, John Raymond of Centralia, Fred Raymond of Renton; also a sister, Lucy Minaker of Palo Alto, Calif. and three other sisters residing in Australia.
Rev. Wm. Plowman of the Evangelical church will officiate at the funereal. This will be held at 2 p. Friday at the Cattermole parlors, Winlock. Burial. will be In Napavine Cemetery beside Mr. Riley whose. death occurred last January.
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Good find! Lucy Minaker had a son named Chauncey, so that fits with their deceased brother. https://www.newspapers.com/article/redwood-city-tribune/176760433/
Lucy on death index has father’s name of Pegham - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPQ2-98L?lang=en
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Just in case you need them, (the tree on ancestry is missing some)
Ref GRO Index
Children of Thomas Peagam and Eliza Ann Ridler who married 1855 Devon England
All children registered South Moulton with mother's maiden name Redler - various
Sidney Ridler Peagam 1856 mmn Ridler
Lucy Jane Peagam 1858 mmn Redler
Chauncey Redler Peagam 1860 mmn Redler
Zela Redler Peagam 1862 mmn Redler
Aderley Redlar Peagam 1864 mmn Redlar
Ada Peagam 1866 twin died 1866
Eda Peagam 1866 twin died 1866
Levi Redler Peagham 1868 mmn Redler
Frederick Alfred Peagam 1870 mmn Redler
John Redler Peagam 1871 mmn Redler
Julia Redler Peagam 1872 mmn Redler
Ernest Redler Peagam 1874 died 1874
Presswood Redler Peagam (female) 1877 mmn Redler
Eliza Redler Peagam 1878 mmn Redler
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Might Sidney have become Ernest P. Raymond?
Ernest P. Raymond is listed as brother of the groom in a wedding announcement for Frederick A. Raymond & Esther Davis in 1896 in Washington. John P. Raymond also attended. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-post-intelligencer-marriage-of-raymo/176751502/
Ernest's marriage license seems to have his middle name as Peagam - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99J7-77ZH?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPMT-16PG&action=view&cc=1534448&lang=en&groupId=
Naturalization records for Ernest - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95XH-9SD9?view=fullText&keywords=Ernest%20P%2CRaymond&lang=en&groupId=
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5XH-9MG8?view=fullText&keywords=Earnest%20P%20Raymond%2CEarnest%20P%2CRaymond&lang=en&groupId=
Ernest died in 1920. death certificate - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-688S-YJG?i=1123&lang=en
death notice - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-news-tribune/105652667/
Julia Carroll Riley is mentioned in his estate papers, as well as Fred Raymond, John Raymond, and J. H. Riley. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-post-intelligencer-marriage-of-raymo/176751502/
Nope Ernest was Sidneys brother. For Some reason they all changed their surnames to Raymond. It appears that most if not all Sidneys siblings emigrated. Canada, The states and Australia
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Per amondg’s findings above, the original Ernest was born in 1874 and died in the same year. That doesn’t seem to fit anywhere with the findings of Ernest in Washington, who was born in the 1850’s and died in 1920.
Maybe Sidney decided he liked the name Ernest better than Sidney. Maybe he made the change to honor his brother.
Maybe there is another explanation, but I still think it could be Sidney.
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Also, in his divorce records, Sidney said he resided near Newaukum, Lewis Co., Washington.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95X4-9FZX?view=index&cc=1930340&lang=en&groupId=
The census has entries for Ernest Raymond in Newaukum through 1920.
1900, born May 1860 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMP2-38D?lang=en (His wife is listed as Sarah instead of Clara, but I think that still might be them.)
1910, born circa 1857 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGV3-S64?lang=en
1920, born circa 1857 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHNM-5DK?lang=en
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E. Raymond & John Raymond living together in Lewis Co. in the 1892 Washington census. https://digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/16F92E0DFAED0441476DD6D5A5B1185B
16 Mar. 1894 in Newaukum - "E. Raymond has been busy papering and painting his house. He says he has some one ‘‘almost persuaded." https://washingtondigitalnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=PPLADVCT18940316.2.7&srpos=6&e=-------en-20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-raymond+Newaukum------
Fred Raymond from Seattle was visiting his brother in Newaukum in July 1894, around the time of Sidney's divorce. https://washingtondigitalnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=PPLADVCT18940720.2.6&srpos=7&e=-------en-20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-raymond+Newaukum------
Ernest P. Raymond was a witness at the marriage of Frederick A. Raymond in Jan. 1896. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9VX-DXWT?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKNB-DKY5&action=view&cc=1534448&lang=en&groupId=
6 Mar. 1896 Newaukum station "Mr. Raymond, a pioneer of this vicinity, arrived from Seattle a few days ago. All the girls were evidently well pleased as they were at the depot when he arrived to extend congratulations, which were unnecessary." https://washingtondigitalnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=PPLADVCT18960306.2.27&srpos=8&e=-------en-20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-raymond+Newaukum------
24 Dec. 1897 - https://washingtondigitalnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=PPLADVCT18971224.2.19&srpos=10&e=-------en-20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-raymond+Newaukum------ "Mr. E. R. Raymond brought to his neat little cottage by the school house a neat little wife last Thursday, Dec. 16. He met her in Chehalis where they were married and came at once to their little home. Your correspondent does not yet know the name of her ladyship, but can vouch for her being fair to behold. Neither have I learned from whence she came, but it is generally conceded 1 that she and Mr. Raymond “caught on” to each other through the advertising medium—thus demonstrating that advertising is profitable. "
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I am starting to think that Sidney may actually have changed his name to Ernest. Ernest would have been the last male, the remainder were females. I have seen Change their name from James Thompson to James Martin, gradually adding a middle Name of Elijah after his nephew died then becoming James Elijah Thompson and when his mother died (Martin) becoming James Elijah Thompson Martin, then removing Elijah Thompson to become James Martin
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Check the newspapers for the Peagam plus various spellings.
Why did those who went to the USA change their name to Raymond, did something happen?
It seems those who went to Australia didn't.
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Searched for Thomas Peagam and found numerous ads for the rent of his farm from 1876 onwards. There was one article in the North Devon Journal April 10th 1862 where he was fined 10s for assaulting an innkeeper.
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Very interesting finds Shellyesq
For info.
On this record for the marriage of E P Raymond to Clara Fisher says it’s their
2nd marriage, parents names given for Clara are Samuel & Francis
E P Raymond Age 32 Birth Place England
Marriage 16 Dec 1897 Priests Residence, Lewis, Washington, USA
Father P Raymond Mother ELIZA Raymond
Spouse Clarra Fisher
Washington, U.S., Marriage Records, 1854-2013 - Image on Anc*y
1861 census for Sidney Peagam Piece 1483 Folio 29 Page number 16
Thomas Peagam 26 Head
ELIZA Peagam 26 Wife
Sidney Peagam 5 Son
Lucy Peagam 3 Daughter
Chauncy Peagam Son 9 mths
Clara’s first marriage
Clara J Fisher Age 19
Birth Place Pennsylvania
Marriage 13 Jun 1889 Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Marriage County Office Douglas
Father S. Fisher Mother Francis Fisher
Spouse Carl J. Johnson
Clara mother mn Re(a)dlemoser?
Nebraska, U.S., Select County Marriage Records, 1855-1908 - image on Anc*y
Burial details on findagrave for Ernest & Clara
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70013577/ernest_p-raymond
The other name on same stone for Ernest is Clara’s married sister Mary
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70013576/clara-josephine-raymond
Clara J Raymond Age 77
Birth 18 Nov 1869 Gettysburg Penn
Death 26 Dec 1946 Centralia, Lewis, Washington, USA
Death Registration Place Washington, USA
Father Samuel Fisher mother Francisca Middlemosher
Spouse Earnest
Image on Anc*y - Washington, U.S., Death Records, 1907-2017
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I have made a rough clip. Still a few days work left. More things to add, along with the transitions and narration. But it's coming.
https://youtu.be/LVAolxaikuI