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Hi All
I am trying to find what happened to James Oliver after 1881. At this time on the census he is living with his wife Amelia and son William J in Meneage Street, Helston.
James Oliver Head Age 47 Master Cabinet Maker brn Sithney
Amelia Oliver Wife Age 30 brn Scotland
William J Oliver Son Age 8mths brn Helston
In the 1891 census Amelia his wife is located in the Falmouth Orphanage as below
Amelia Oliver WIDOW Age 40 Matron brn Arbroath Scotland
I can find no death or census entries for JAMES after the 1881 census, however I have found that JAMES was a bankrupt in 1882, this is where his story appears to end. His son William J also appears to go missing from any further censuses etc.
Any ideas or help would be appreciated
Thanks
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In 1891 William James Oliver (age 10) is a student in the Reedham School for Fatherless Children in Surrey.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QNHQ-G2M?lang=en
https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/PurleyReedham/
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Possible death ........
OLIVER, WILLIAM JAMES age 11
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 257
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Thanks Neale1961, I have emailed the Reedham School to see if they have any records on William or his parents, It’s a long way from South West Cornwall to Croydon, but anything is possible and the ages all fit in perfectly.
Thanks for your help
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Bear in mind this birth which may possibly be the 1892 death
Births Sep 1881
OLIVER William James Camberwell 1d 842 his mmn was Gathercole. Parents were Alfred John & Ellen Ann
Deaths Sep 1884
Oliver Alfred John 30 Camberwell 1d 544
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Agreed. You won’t know until you look at the record.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGZ5-FC4V?lang=en
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Have you found Amelia on any censuses after 1891?
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Possible death ........
OLIVER, WILLIAM JAMES age 11
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 257
Can't add an image as this is in look up section - image can be viewed on Anc*y
Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1997
William James Oliver Burial 22 Feb 1892 St John Coulsdon, Surrey
Non conformist funeral
William James OLIVER age 11
abode Reedham Asylum
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Mother Amelia remarries 1894 to John Joseph Moyses Stephens.
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Mother Amelia remarries 1894 to John Joseph Moyses Stephens.
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I was wondering if this might be her in 1901
Amelia Stephens Age 50 wid. housekeeper domestic
Birth Place Arbroath, Scotland
Registration District Penzance
1901
Piece 2258
Folio 34
Page number 5
Edit to add - red writing
Amelia Andrew Stephens
Death 20 Nov 1917 Falmouth, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177287193/amelia-stephens
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Thanks CaroleW and Ladyhawke for your inputs into my query.
So I can assume that the William James Oliver who was in the 1891 as a student at Reedham School and listed as born in Helston Cornwall, died in February 1892 and was buried on 22 February at St John’s Coulsdon, which is next door to Reedham School.
Thank you everyone.
Regarding CaroleW’s question re Amelia Oliver, she remarried in 1894 to my g/grandfather John Joseph Moyses Stephens in Falmouth Cornwall.
I have still the problem of what happened to William James father, the fact that William was in a children’s home 200 miles away from his mother is puzzling, the requirement for admission at Reedham School was that the child must be father less and destitute.
I’ll keep digging, thanks again.
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Amelia is still in Cornwall in 1911 working as a servant but shown as married for 17yrs??
Can't see a death for husband pre 1911 JJM Stephens was b 1855 Helston. According to a tree on Ancestry he died 1946 which is confirmed by the freebmd entry - aged 91
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STEPHENS, JOHN JOSEPH MOYSES aged91
GRO Reference: 1946 J Quarter in KERRIER Volume 05C Page 174
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JJM Stephens married in 1918 to Elizabeth MF Johns
He died 28.6.1946 - no will - administration granted to Thomas Henry Stephens & Percy Drayden Stephens
Percy Dreaden Stephens was b 1887 mmn Pryor
Thomas Henry Stephens b 1884 mmn Pryor
Tree on Ancestry shows wife as Martha Pryor. There is a marriage in Helston 1878 to John Stephens but no middle names
There is a 1915 death in Helston for Amelia Stephens aged 67
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Per www.scotlandspeople.org.uk
Amelia Andrew b 6.7.1851 Angus - parents John Andrew & Mary Blew. In 1861 & 1871 she is living with her parents in Helston. In 1851 the family are in St Vigeans Angus
Can’t find anything on James Oliver
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Thanks everyone, especially CaroleW, I will check and add all the information to my tree.
I guess JAMES OLIVER doesn’t want to be found, I am on Ancestry but not with a newspaper or world wide subscription, maybe he was imprisoned due to him being made bankrupt in 1882 or emigrated aboard, or he was not dead by 1891 and that his wife, Amelia who stated in the 1891 census that she was a WIDOW, LIED. Who knows.
Thanks All
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Amelia Andrew b 6.7.1851 Angus - parents John Andrew & Mary Blew. In 1861 & 1871 she is living with her parents in Helston. In 1851 the family are in St Vigeans Angus
Amelia Andrew - 1851 census in Scotland
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027423e9379091b101551d/john-andrew-1851-angus-forfarshire-st-vigeans-1814-?locale=en
John ANDREW married Mary BLEW
13 June 1839 in Budock, Cornwall
John – 25, bachelor, mariner. Son of Richard Andrew a shoemaker
Mary – 25, spinster. Daughter of John Blew a cabinetmaker
Witnesses – John Blew and Jenney Ann Blew
Mary BLEW born 18 June 1813
Baptised Falmouth 28 July 1813
Parents - John and Elizabeth, cabinet maker