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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: tejjy on Sunday 13 July 25 12:23 BST (UK)
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I found an Albert E Webb on the passenger list of the Ortona (see attached newspaper clipping dated Jan 4, 1900; the official list has the Albert).
But I cannot find any subsequent trace of him in Australia; no death certificate & no outgoing passenger lists. Nor did I find that he married anybody or sired any children. I suppose it's possible he hung around until he was able to fly out, but what I'm really hoping is that I've made some rookie error.
(There was an Albert Edward Webb, butcher, in Tasmania at about the same time, but he was born there).
Any advice, suggestions or brainwaves appreciated. He MIGHT have been my great-grandfather...or again, he might not ::)
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"He MIGHT have been my great-grandfather"
You are researching the origins of your grandfather?
What do you know about your grandfather?.....place of birth?....place of marriage?....place of death?
Can you give the details you have about him.
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Actually, i know the origins of my grandfather (born Jan. 1895 in Brighton, UK, father Albert Edward Webb, butcher, mother born Mary May Todd). But my grandfather always said he didn't have a father, and in the 1901 census grandfather was living with his sister and mother, who described herself as head of house & independent means. It looks like great-grandpa did a runner… This query is a promising candidate, as it would explain why i can't find him in the 1901 (or subsequent) census, but very speculative at this stage, It was a common name.;
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Do you have any other information about him, date or place of birth, occupation?
Could he be this Commercial Traveller in 1901?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9DQ-FZ5?treeref=P3KY-HNB&lang=en
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There is an Albert Edward WEBB died in Victoria in 1949 aged 78, born Wells, Somerset. Is this a possibility?
Parents Alfred WEBB and Elizabeth (nee BIRKIN).
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Death notices:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206067200
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I was just looking at his birth record ;D
WEBB, ALBERT EDWARD SPARROW
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in WELLS Volume 05C Page 610
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Another death in Victoria - Albert Edward WEBB aged 72, in 1938, born London. Parents Charles WEBB and Ann (nee NICHOLLS).
His death notice:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12059005
Unfortunate that it is a common name.
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This would be the wife of the Albert Edward WEBB who died in 1949 - Annie Laura, she died in 1940.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206067200
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I think this couple seems unlikely - their son Eric died in 1981 aged 83. He was born in Coventry. Parents Albert Edward WEBB and Annie Laura (nee AYRES).
Eric Norman WEBB birth registration Coventry (6d/580) Sept qtr 1898.
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I suppose this is the commercial traveller...
Gorell Barnes, a case was heard in which Mrs. Amy Mary Edwards- Webb, a nurse at the Royal United Hospital, Bath, petitioned for a divorce from Mr. Albert Edwards-Webb, a commercial traveller, stated to be living at Southsea, formerly of Bristol, on the ...
Published: Friday 22 February 1907
Newspaper: Somerset Standard
County: Somerset, England
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Just to help if looking for a death for Albert Edward WEBB - His parents appear to be James and Eliza (nee PALMER). His birth registration Jun qtr 1872 Islington (1b/348).
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And he was a butcher. ::)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865498.0
Have you managed to rule out this one?
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WEBB, ALBERT EDWARD 53
GRO Reference: 1926 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 247
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I was just looking at his birth record ;D
WEBB, ALBERT EDWARD SPARROW
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in WELLS Volume 05C Page 610
Sorry, i realise that i should have shared more - thanks for all pitching in. Attached is the GRO reference for his birth certificate. i'll update a bit later, i'm on the road and computer-less
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so, this is really 2 questions, isn't it… one about the guy on the boat, and the other about my great-grandfather. Honestly, i've almost given up on him, but in addition to the stuff already posted, i can say he was in the 1881 census at 56-58 St Jude St, Kingsland, but somehow the house got left off the 1891 census, so he doesn't appear on that. Already a slippery beggar :-)
The he & Polly married in 1892, had 2 children die under a month old at 77 Shacklewell Lane (he is a master butcher on the b/c.s), decamped to Brighton, where my grandfather was born. He was a journeyman butcher when he registered that birth. Then Polly registered the 1897 birth herself & in the 1901 census is head of house.
i did a ton of searching during Covid for AEWebbs in the 1901 & 1911 census and i'm pretty sure i was able to connect ALL of them to an 1891 entry, i.e. not my g-g/father. But, you know, proving a negative is hard and i was just starting then…
i have just assumed since then that he either left the country or changed his name. (i looked at 1921 when it came out, but cursorily, b/c i'd more-or-less decided he had gone)
The topic person of this post is my last loose end before i decide whether to do it all over again, say, with a different census provider.
Or wait for some DNA luck.
When i get home next week i'll try and respond to the individual suggestions, but a couple of them look new, so that's interesting
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Now in front of the computer :-)
Attached is my notes from the 1901 census; they're a bit cryptic, but these are the Ancestry returns for a broad name search on Albert Edward Webb, born 1872 </- 5 years, in Middlesex. Those entries that DONT have an exclusion note is because they can be definitely linked to people other than him in the 1891 census. I've done the same for 1911 & 1921 with the same lack of success. So, I'm fairly confident he either left the country OR majorly changed his identity. In the latter case, I'm stuck until DNA turns up something, but in the former, it MIGHT be possible to track him down; I've found that obituaries in particular can turn up a lot of details & may even confess to past families.
Hence my interest in the Ortona passenger list.
I am also checking into the 1926 death certificates mentioned by PatLac (there were two, I discovered) in the interests of i-dotting but based on the census research, I'm not optimistic.
I note that Maddys52 turned up a couple of Australian candidates (even if they ended up with the wrong parents) in the blink of an eye; I know I've done some searching in the Australian records, but I don't remember them, so perhaps I should revisit that option. BDM is state-based, right? Maybe I missed a couple of them. I know I looked at the Ryerson index, but to no avail.
No Y-DNA matches have turned up, but that doesn't mean a lot unfortunately. And so far none of the autosomal test results have made a connection that leads back to Albert (his brothers & his wife, yes).
I'll update again when the death certificates turn up. Meantime, if anyone has advice on Australian resources, I'm certainly not au fait with them; most of what I've done has been UK-based to date
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You are correct that Australian birth death and marriage records are State based. Different information is available on the search indexes, and on death certificates. For what can be found on death certificates in different States:
https://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
For death records in each State, here are some links (these are probably all on the Resources page)
NSW BDM:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search
Queensland BDM:
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/
Victoria BDM:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/search-your-family-history
Western Australia:
https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-justice/online-index-search-tool
Tasmania:
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
South Australia:
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search
Newspapers can be found on trove (generally up to 1954, though some are later):
https://trove.nla.gov.au/
Later newspapers are harder to search without a subscription or access with a Library Card, though google news archives has Sydney Morning Herald, The Age (Melbourne).
https://news.google.com/newspapers
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double plus thanks - i'll have to be a bit more systematic, i think. it's a needle in a haystack really… but you can't be lucky by not trying :)
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Have you managed to rule out this one?
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WEBB, ALBERT EDWARD 53
GRO Reference: 1926 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 247
There were 2 deaths in Portsmouth of AEWebbs in 1926; this one is disqualified from being "mine" b/c his death was reported by his brother and the initials don't match anybody in my family. The other one has a long stable history (via census) in Portsmouth with a large family that would implausibly overlap my target's life history in London & Brighton
It really reinforced for me how many AEWebbs there have been...
Thks