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I have come to a dead end with my research and am unable to find people or understand what happened.
I have been researching my grandmothers family tree. Her Grandmother was Sarah Jane Lloyd born in Llantarnam 1858. On the 31st Oct 1880, she married a Sidney Pragam b. 1856, a collier. Father Thomas Pragam, witness George Pragam. I have a copy of the marriage certificate, so the details are correct.
In the 1881 Census I find them living in Risca. Their surname is different.
Sidney Peahans Head 24 Coal Miner
Sarah J Wife 23
They had two daughters Matilda Presswood Pigham b. 10th Oct 1881 Mother Sarah Jane Pigham, formerly Lloyd, Father Sidney Pigham. The second daughter was Olive Evalina Pigham b. 1888.
In the 1891 census, Sarah Jane appears in Wigan having left both children with her in laws who appear on the censuses.
1891 Census 21 Gidlow Lane Wigan
Robert Lewis Head 33 Puddler Monmouth Blaina
Sarah J Lewis Wife Cwmbran
Mary J dau 2 months Derby Sheepbridge
James Brother 22 Monmouth Pontypool
I have found subsequent censuses of her with children, surname Lewis.
I am trying to find a death for a Sidney Pragam, Pigham, Peahan or whatever his name was around 1887 – 1890, and a marriage to a Robert Lewis around 1890. I have searched on deaths by just entering Sidney DOB 1856 date of death 1885 – 1891 and omitting a surname. Then I looked for something which could have been mistaken for his surname. This produced over 700 results, but nothing I was looking for.
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There may be no marriage to find?
Divorce was very expensive in Victorian times.
Easier, and cheaper, to simply live together. ;)
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Sidney Peagam served as a driver in the Royal Artillery 1875-79.
Born Bishop Nympton, Devon, circa 1856, father Thomas.
Could not write his name.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f1824%2f153%2f001&parentid=gbm%2fwo97%2f1824%2f389856
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This record at Ancestry (dated 1883) says he deserted her. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62387/records/45721375
so Olive may not be his bio daughter
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Seems he put it about a bit too. Looked at his medical records. Treated for Syphillis a few times
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They had two daughters Matilda Presswood Pigham b. 10th Oct 1881 Mother Sarah Jane Pigham, formerly Lloyd, Father Sidney Pigham.
The second daughter was Olive Evalina Pigham b. 1888.
This record at Ancestry (dated 1883) says he deserted her. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62387/records/45721375
so Olive may not be his bio daughter
For info.
Olive Evelina dob 25th April 1884 on the record
father named as Sidney Pigham, coal miner
a link to the record on Anc*y if you subscribe http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tux/Newport
Gwent, Wales, Workhouse Registers, 1833-1957 - Vaccination Register Sub District of St Woolos
1883-1884
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There also a son to Sarah Jane & Robert born 1888.
LEWIS, ALONSO NEWBERY mmn LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 210
Bapt
Name Alonzo Newbury Lewis
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 1890
Baptism Date 11 Sep 1890
Baptism Place Llanfrechfa, Monmouthshire, Wales
Father Robert Lewis
Mother Sarah Jane Lewis
Gwent Workhouse register
Name Alonso Newbery Lewis
Gender Male
Record Type Birth
Birth Date 27 May 1888
Birth Place Near Upper Cwm Bran Llantarnam
Residence Place Wales, Newport
Parent Robert Newbery Lewis
Look like a possible death for Robert Lewis 1893 in Wigan. It is likely they never married.
Olive born 1884 names Sidney as her father on marriage.
Gwent workhouse register
Name Olive Evelina Pigham
Gender Female
Record Type Birth
Birth Date 25 Apr 1884
Birth Place White House Llantarnam
Residence Place Wales, Newport
Parent Sidney Pigham
Possible marriage for Sarah J in 1927
Sarah J Lewis
Registration Date 1927
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Wigan
Inferred County Lancashire
Spouse Joseph Topping
Volume Number 8c Page number 130
Possible Death
TOPPING, SARAH JANE age 76
GRO Reference: 1934 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 122
Cas
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Possible Death
TOPPING, SARAH JANE age 76
GRO Reference: 1934 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 122
Burial on findagrave Lower Ince Cemetery edit - Plot C of E R589
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216838311/sarah-jane-topping
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Don't know if this is a relation same plot number C of E R589, Kezia Pigham age 18
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216813068/kezia-pigham
Edit to add same plot number C of E R589 Olive Jones (Kezia’s mother)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216788486/olive-jones
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Not that this helps with the death or whereabouts of Sidney Pragam/Pigham....born c1856 Bishop Nympton, Devon ???
You may already have this but just in case 1921 I think Sarah Jane Lewis is in Wigan her birth place given as Lancashire b1857 with a Joseph Melling b1868 Lancashire
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He was born Sidney Ridler Peagam in 1856, mmn Ridler. Birth registered in South Molton RD. Some online trees have the mother's maiden name as Redler.
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Newspaper Star of Gwent 13th June 1984
Cathy
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It looks as if Sidney went to Lewis state of Washington about 12th May 1882, the typing is very faint
Plaintiff's Sidney Peagam
Defendant's Sarah J Peagam
Marriage Date 30 November 1880
Event Type Divorce
Event Place Washington, United States
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tuy/
Plaintiff's Sidney Peagam
Defendant's Sarah J Peagam
Event Type Divorce
Event Date 3 July 1894
Event Place Washington, United States
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tuz/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tv0/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tv2/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tv1/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tv3/
Details from family search take a look just in case I’ve missed any some I may have duplicated
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I would like to thank everyone for their help. I would never have found this. What a story her life was.
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I would like to thank everyone for their help. I would never have found this. What a story her life was.
For info.
Is this his brothers or a relative death 1942
Johm Redler Peagam Name Note OR John P. Raymond
Age 70 years 7 months
Birth Date 29 Nov 1871
Death 29 Jun 1942 Centralia, Lewis, Washington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3R5-TJP?lang=
Not found anything for Sidney
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Looking at various census returns etc, I think Kezia is Olive's daughter.
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Yes just checked my records. Keziah was born 1903, mother Olive. Olive married Thomas Berry in Wigan in 1905
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Kezia or Keziah? There seem to be two accepted spellings of the name which are sometimes mixed. Properly the accent is on the 2nd syllable.
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I would like to thank everyone for their help. I would never have found this. What a story her life was.
For info.
Is this his brothers or a relative death 1942
Johm Redler Peagam Name Note OR John P. Raymond
Age 70 years 7 months
Birth Date 29 Nov 1871
Death 29 Jun 1942 Centralia, Lewis, Washington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3R5-TJP?lang=
Not found anything for Sidney
yes this is his younger brother
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Have updated my master doc
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Have updated my master doc
You’ve written THOMAS Tibbs as father of Olive - From newspaper clip posted by Cath151 reply 10
I read his name ISAAC Tibbs
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Yes it is my mistake ::)
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Totally unrelated, but I am starting on finding pics etc to make a clip, like I did with this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1DSZN8XpIg