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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Elliven on Thursday 10 July 25 14:44 BST (UK)
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I am researching a beer house keeper named Mrs Ann Dodds in Burnopfield. The 1871 census shows it as Tanfield but that was the parish at the time. Is it possible to find the street number in Raglan Place from the following detail?
Event Place (Original) Raglan Place, Tanfield, Durham, England
Sub-District Tanfield
Enumeration District 3
Household Identifier 117
Entry Number 17
Many thanks
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Hi Neville, the full address as given is Sparroe (or Sparrow) Hall (Beer House).
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That's what I read it as too. No number given just that name.
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To JenB,
You are a genius! I had what purported to be copies of the 1871 and 1881 census entries but neither mentioned Sparrow Hall which was the property adjoining Ann Dodds' beerhouse (or rather adjoining Raglan Place) - so that is where she got the name. Thanks again.
Thanks also toMilliepede
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The 1881 census she’s at Sparroe Beer House.
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JenB,
The property in which she lived and operated is right next to an area shown as Sparrow Hill on the 6" OS map and Sparrow Hall on the 25" OS map, so I think "Sparroe" is either a misspelling or bad handwriting. Either way, I am delighted because the Trade Directory mentioned the beerhouse name and then your contribution effectively confirmed it.
In 33 years of researching, I had never come across a reference to a beerhouse of that name or even a beerhouse in that area. Now, I have two references in as many days and a "new" pub to add to my list
Neville
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This is long, but I think that you will find it interesting.
27 September 1878: Consett Guardian
LANCHESTER ADJOURNED BREWSTER SESSIONS.
The adjourned Brewster Sessions for this district took place in the Justice-room, Lanchester, yesterday. The magistrates present were Mr. Town (chairman), Mr. E. T. Smith, Mr. Clavering, Rev. J. P. De Pledge, and Mr. Priestman.
The license of Daniel Ludkin, beerhouse-keeper, Burnopfield, had been deferred from the ordinary licensing meeting, and on Ludkin now asking for its renewal Supt. Oliver objected on the ground of the applicant's previous misconduct. Ludkin, he said, had been twice convicted, once for allowing gaming, and once for permitting drunkenness in his house, having been fined £3 for each offence.
Mr. PHILIP MATHER, of the firm of Mather, Cockcroft and Mathers, solicitors, Newcastle, appeared on behalf of the owner of the house, Mrs. Ann Dodds, and asked the magistrates to grant a license conditionally. Since Ludkin's conviction, the owner of the house had done her utmost to get another tenant, and he asked the bench to withhold the license for a month in order that one might be got to succeed Ludkin, whom they were desirous of getting rid of in a summary manner.
The CHAIRMAN: Does Mrs. Dodds intend to take the house herself?
Mr. MATHER: Yes.
The CHAIRMAN: Is she a likely person to take the management of a public-house?
Mr. MATHER: I think she lived in it herself prior to Ludkin's occupation. We have nothing to do with Ludkin; he is simply a sub-tenant of our lessee.
The CHAIRMAN (to Mr. Oliver): You only oppose the renewal of the license as regards the present tenant?
Supt. Oliver: That is all.
Mr. DE PLEDGE: How many public-houses are there in Burnopfield?
Supt. Oliver: There are four full-licensed houses and two beerhouses.
Mr. DE PLEDGE: What is the population?
Supt. Oliver: There will not be more than 700 or 800 people altogether.
Mr. De PLEDGE: And there are four full-licensed public-houses and two beer-houses?
Supt. Oliver: Yes.
Mr. MATHER said the beerhouse was almost Mrs. Dodds' only means of support, and she was desirous of getting rid of Ludkin, the more so as he had since his conviction beiore the magistrates been guilty of irregularities.
Ludkin: You cannot prove that. I think it is a very hard thing. It is the first time there was anything against my character. When the job happened I was in Newcastle on business. The dominoes the men were playing with were fetched to my house by some men, and as soon as my son saw what was going on he took the dominoes from them and because he did so they smashed everything in the house. I fetched the men up, and as soon as I did so they laid information against me.
The CHAIRMAN: This was all gone into when the case was heard.
Ludkin: I was quite innocent of the charge.
The CHAIRMAN: You were responsible for the good conduct of your house.
Ludkin: It is the first time there has been a complaint against me.
The CHAIRMAN said the magistrates were disposed to grant the license to Mrs. Dodds, but if the police had any further cause for complaint against the house, the license would be taken from it altogether.
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A beerhouse-keeper’s life in Victorian Burnopfield! (Mr Dodds/Dodds was still alive in 1869.)
16 January 1869: Consett Guardian
ASSAULT AT BURNOPFIELD.
Andrew Graham was charged with assauiting Ann Dodd the wife of a beerhouse-keeper at Burnoptield, on the 1st inst. Mrs. Dodd interfered for the protection of her husband on the night of New Year's Day, when the defendant knocked her down in an insensible state. The defendant pleaded guilty, but stated that there had been some rough fun going on in the house by some of the customers getting their faces blacked. Defendant blacked the landlord's face, when the complainant came up and struck him thrice upon the mouth drawing blood. He (defendant) then struck out in return knocking complainant down. He was very sorry for what he had done, but thought he had received considerable provocation. The magistrates took this view of the case, and dismissed the charge.
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This is long, but I think that you will find it interesting.
27 September 1878: Consett Guardian
Interesting!
In 1881 Daniel Ludkin (who was originally from Norfolk) was a 'yeast merchant' living at Leazes Farm, Burnopfield. His occupation had been later categorised on the census form as 'brewer' or possibly 'brewery'
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a "new" pub to add to my list
Just for the record, how many pubs/beer houses are currently on your list?
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Jen B,
Around 200 pubs and beerhouses by name but probably about 160 when you allow for changes of name.
The pub we are currently talking about was unknown to me until Wednesday of this week when my wife found it in an old trade directory.
Neville
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AlanBoyd,
Thank you for the information you have supplied. I already had a rough idea of the circumstances surrounding the court appearance and I suspected that she wanted rid of Daniel Ludkin. However, this really fleshes out the story and explains why she applied for a licence on the same day that Ludkin's licence renewal application came to court.
Your other post surprised me because I thought she had been widowed long before she came to the pub. I did not realise that she had previously worked in the pub, supporting her husband, before Daniel Ludkin became the licensee. I had not previously seen any mention of her husband and he is difficult to track without a forename and date and place of birth.
Now, I need to find her husband's details and when they arrived at the beerhouse. The second item shows they were in the pub on 1st January 1869 and so they must have arrived there in 1868 or earlier. It also explains her confidence in being able to take over the running of the pub herself.
I also need to find out when Daniel Ludkin became licensee.
Neville
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Death Announcement: Consett Guardian 22nd October 1870
Burnopfield - On the 18th inst., aged 56, suddenly, Mr George Dodds
1861 Census,
RG 7 / 3729/24/41
Burnopfield.
George Dodds, head, mar, 46, groom, Northumberland, Hexham
Ann do, wife, mar, 39, Durham Gateshead
Ann Fenbridge, boarder, 84, pauper, Northumberland, hexham
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JenB,
Thank you - that makes things a lot easier for me.
Neville
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Just for the record, I think this is Ann in 1851
HO 107/ 2415/ 397/1
Colwell, Northumberland.
In the household of Robert Stephenson, a farmer
Ann Dodds, visitor, mar, 30, a labourer's wife, Durham Gateshead
And I suspect that this is husband George in 1851
HO 107/ 2415/376/15
Hallington, Northumberland
In the household of George Dodds, an agricultural labourer aged 75
George Dodds, son, mar, 35, agricultural labourer, Northumberland Anick Grange.
(Anick Grange is on the north side of the Tyne, a short distance from Hexham.)
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JenB,
In response to your reply #8. I have just been re-reading this and I know that both breweries in the village were closed by this date. However, there were still a substantial number of breweries in the area so, it is possible that he was either supplying yeast to them or even being involved in the brewing industry in some other way.
But Daniel Ludkin's movements are very difficult to track. He would have taken over the licence some time after 1870 when George Dodds died. He was living in Whickham in 1869 and that is very close to Burnopfield so it is possible that he took over very soon after George died.
He was also removed as a licensee for far less reason than seems normal at the time. He lost his licence as a first offence - which is also unusual. I think that there may be more to his removal than meets the eye in that it was a conspiracy between Police, Magistrates and the owner. Maybe he was suspected of other offences that could not be proved against him, or maybe he was just unpopular. We will probably never know.