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can anyone help find the following person. i have albert charles edward fitzjohn born 21 march 1913 in Oxford North, Ontario, Canada. his parents were albert charles edwatd fitzjohn and rose kate cannon. i have him on 1921 cenus age 8 with parents but nothing after. can anyone help find out what happened to him. i have all info on his parents so thats not needed. thank you
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Albert is proving to be rather elusive but here are a few bits.
Albert crossed the border to the USA 19 Dec 1928 accompanied by his mother Rose. He was going to his father in Detroit Michigan and was planning to reside there. Image on Ancestry if you have access.
Albert and Rose crossed the border from the USA to Ontario in March 1932. They indicated they had been in Canada before from 1912 to 1923. Just the 2 of them so I wonder if young Albert remained in the States at this time? If they had been in the US since 1923 I would expect them to be on the 1930 US census but haven’t been able to find them yet. Their Ontario destination was to their daughter Ivy in Woodstock Ontario. It looks like they are planning to stay in Canada. Image on Ancestry.
Next actual sighting of Albert is a 1945 Canada Voters List for Woodstock Ontario. We have…
Albert Fitzjohn Laborer
Mrs Albert Fitzjohn
Miss Winnifred Fitzjohn Operator
Albert Fitzjohn On Active Service (so looks like he joined up in WW2)
This image also on Ancestry.
PB
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1930 Census Detroit Michigan transcribed as FITZHON on ancestry.
ADDED Wabash Avenue, the street before was Buchanan.
Albert 54 lab. in auto factory born England, parents born England came to USA 1925
Rose 51 born England, parents born England came to USA 1929
Kate 20 born England, parents born England ditto
Albert 17 - Baker in Pretzel Factory Born Canada, parents born England ditto
We know from border crossing it was actually 1928 -
UPDATE there is another list of wife and children arriving Detroit 6 March 1929
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The re is a registration for a Kate Doris Fitzjohn
1908 September quarter West Ham Vol. 04A page 37 mother's maiden name Cannon
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FindMyPast has an incoming passenger list arrival date 20 December 1915 ship Scandinavian from Canada to Liverpool.
Mrs. A Fitzjohn 34
Kate 5
Ivy 4
Albert 1 1/2
Going to 116 Grove Green Road, London.
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FindMyPast Passenger list 10 September 1912 from Southampton to Montreal , length 21 days
Ship Ausonia / Cunard line total passengers 499
Albert Fitz John 38 lab.
Mrs. Rose 34 wife
Kate 4 child
Winifred 2 child
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Winifred has to be born in England but I haven't found her yet.
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Okay found her and it explains why she is Ivy on one list but Winifred on another
Ivy Winifred Fitz John - March quarter 1911 West Ham Vol 04A page 330 mother's maiden name Cannon
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You probably already have this
Charlotte Rosina Hettie Fitzjohn born 1906 mother's maiden name Cannon - died 1912 age 6 registered West Ham.
Born 29 March 1906 buried 10 August 1912 (ref: deceased on line)
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amondg thank you. do we know what happened after 1930? did he marry have kids? when did he die? i cant find anything so any help greatly appricated
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Hi again,
As I mentioned above, you can find Albert with his parents and sister Winnifred in the 1945 Voters List. They are living in Woodstock Ontario and young Albert appears to be in the armed forces as he is noted to be On Active Service.
The four of them are in Woodstock together in the 1940 Voters List as well.
Unfortunately, if he stayed in Ontario, privacy laws are going to hamper the search for a marriage or death record for Albert, or any children. Births are protected for 100 years, marriages for 80 years, and deaths for 70 years if I remember correctly. You would need something like a newspaper notice or obit for the time period in question.
Having said that, where Albert seems to disappear from the Woodstock Voters Lists there is an Edward Fitzjohn with a wife Kathleen in the Woodstock Voters Lists going forward. Findagrave has his 1992 death and burial in Woodstock with birth year of 1913 but no other info. So there is no apparent way to know if this is Albert using Edward instead but food for thought.
If Albert was overseas with the armed forces, it is possible that he married in England during the war. FreeBMD has a possible marriage in 1943 but you would need to purchase the cert to see if the groom is your Albert.
PB
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The Kathleen polarbear mentions above was Kathleen Rose Winters born 1907 - daughter of Stephen and Emily Winters - birth registered Rotherham 1907. The 1939 register does show her married name as Fitzroy. Married 9-11-1943 to Albert Fitzroy (sadly not yours) Kathleen passed away in 1985
Kathleen Rose Fitzjohn - 25 November 1907 - 1985 (aged 77 years)
Registration District Newton Abbott Devon
Volume 21 Page 1602
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polarbear was correct that Albert Charles Edward Fitzroy was Edward on the Canadian Voters Lists in Oxford Ontario. :)
Albert Edward Charles Fitzroy married Kathleen Nicholls who was born 1904 Ontario.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLLX-LBV?lang=en
Parents John Henry Nicholls and Ellen. The family immigrated in 1911.
Here they are on the 1911 Canadian Census Woodstock Oxford Ontario.
John Nicholl 43 Head. Gas Stoker.
Ellen Nicholl 48 Wife
Frances Nicholl 19 Daughter
Annie Nicholl 16 Daughter
Jack Nicholl 15 Son
Evelyn Nicholl 10 Daughter
Katherine Nicholl 7 Daughter
Charles Nicholl 5 Son
Keliaw Nicholls 2 Daughter
Reuben Wells 19 Son-in-law
Samuel Dadson63 Lodger
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9G-12HY?lang=en
Same family before immigration in 1901 Truro Cornwall.
John H Nicholls 32 Head
Ellen Nicholls 37 Wife
Frances E Nicholls 8 Daughter
Annie J Nicholls 6 Daughter
John H Nicholls 4 Son
Evelyn N Nicholls 2/12 Daughter
Eliza Datson 76 Mother-in-law
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHH-LJW?lang=en
1921 census Woodstock Oxford Ontario.
Henry Nicholas 54 Head
Ellen Nicholas 58 Wife
Charles Nicholas 14 Son
Evelyn Nicholas 20 Daughter
Kathleen Nicholas 17 Daughter
Lilian Nicholas 12 Daughter
Sandra
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Sister Evelyn Nichols married Thomas G Lewis - Evelyn passed away Monday 11 September 1967
Obituary for Mrs Thomas G Lewis (Evelyn Nichols) mentions Mrs Edward (Kathleen) Fitzjohn of Woodstock.
Waterloo Region Record
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Mon, 11 Sept 1967
Page 23
https://www.newspapers.com/article/waterloo-region-record/176357187/
FIND A GRAVE
Parklawn Cemetery
Cambridge, Waterloo Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Plot Section - 5
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/274176659/evelyn-lewis
Husband Rev Thomas Lewis - passed 1974
Waterloo Region Record
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Fri, 6 Dec 1974
Page 31
https://www.newspapers.com/article/waterloo-region-record/176404121/
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
John Henry Nichols - 1867 - 1950
Anglican CemeteryWoodstock, Oxford County Municipality, Ontario.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tuv/
death - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:69ZB-LY3Z?lang=en
Ellen Datson Nichols - 1862 - 1954
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/217835845/ellen-nicholls
other family mentioned.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/KVRH-JVH
Sandra
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Kathleen Nicholls had been married previously in 1931
Kathleen Nicholls - 1904 Woodstock Oxford Ontario married 16 April 1931 (aged 27 years)
Marriage Date 16 Apr 1931 Woodstock, Oxford, Ontario, Canada
Spouse Morris Leroy Schlimme
Father John Henry Nicholls
Mother Ellen Nicholls
Death of husband Morris Schlimme - 31 December 1941
Mrs Kathleen Schlimme
Spouse Morris Schlimme
Certificate Number 001583
Burial Woodstock Ontario - 2 January 1942
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68JQ-H1HW?lang=en
Birth of Morris Schlimme1907
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68JQ-H1HW?lang=en
Sandra
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Thanks for the extra info about the 1943 marriage of Albert Fitzjohn and Kathleen Winters, Sandra. I hadn’t thought to look at the 1939 Register. Settles that then….not the Albert from Canada.
So we have…
Albert Jr. and family in Woodstock in 1940 and 1945 Voters Lists.
Mrs. K. Schlimme Widow in Woodstock in the 1945 Voters List. Hubby Morris died in 1942. S
We know she was Kathleen Nicholls from her sister’s obit and she lived in Woodstock.
Edward and Kathleen Fitzjohn in Woodstock in Voters Lists going forward. Name change?
Deaths for Edward and Kathleen on Findagrave. Buried in Woodstock.
The only thing missing here really is a marriage record for Edward and Kathleen to connect this Edward to the Albert Charles Edward but this won’t be public yet due to privacy laws. Are they one and the same? My sense is that the circumstantial evidence points to them perhaps being the same man. But I would also advise a wee bit of caution and to keep looking for more info to help connect the dots. New info is always coming on line.
PB
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A small time frame for the marriage might be :-
1945 as mentioned previous shows the Fitzjohn family including Albert together at 71 Bay Street. Oxford. Ontario.
1949 Canada Voters List - Mrs Kathleen Fitzjohn and Edward (attendant) at 61 South Street. Oxford. Ontario.
Mrs Kathleen Fitzjohn - Residence Date 1949
Residence Place Oxford, Ontario, Canada
Electoral District Oxford
Have heard mention that the year of the voters list is for the year previous - so maybe 1945 - 1948 for the marriage ?
Sandra
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About the voters list…
The one with the Fitzjohn family is the finally revised urban list of electors for polling division No. 1, St John’s, Woodstock, of the electoral district of Oxford. It is dated 01 June 1945. The election was apparently the 11th of June that year. So a marriage would be after 1st June.
The Ontario Archives currently has marriage records up to 1943 I think. A new year is added annually. Digitization follows and I believe is currently up to 1942 or soon will be.
PB