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Title: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 08 July 25 12:26 BST (UK)
The above was the daughter of William James Barrett born Q1 Pancras, London and Isabella Allan nee Forsyth, they married 14 Jun 1916 at Edinburgh St Giles; Isabella died  15 Feb 1951 in Penicuik. I don't know when William died or anything more about their daughter?
Cr
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 08 July 25 16:33 BST (UK)
You might want to check this out
Death Isabella Allan Hadlow
Birth date 9 August 1916
Died November 2006 Age 90
West Surrey

She can be found 1939 same birth date and maiden name

Marriage 1942
Surrey
Isobel  Barrett
Henry R Hadlow

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 08 July 25 16:58 BST (UK)
Assuming you have the death certificate for Isabella Allan Barrett does it say anything about her husband was he still alive ?

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 08 July 25 17:25 BST (UK)
If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, you will be able to view the 1916 marriage certificate, which will tell you the full names of the couple's parents, including their mothers' maiden surnames.
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 08 July 25 17:30 BST (UK)
The marriage cert says William's parents were James Barrett deceased gardener and Mary M/S Webb.
Cr
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 08 July 25 17:35 BST (UK)
And how old was he when he married?
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 08 July 25 18:04 BST (UK)
Ah .... the birth of William James Barrett, mother's maiden surname Webb, was registered in Pancras in 1890, March quarter, vol 1b, page 184.

James Barrett and Mary Webb's marriage was registered in Edmonton in 1889, December quarter, Vol 3a, Page 361.
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 08 July 25 18:05 BST (UK)
The marriage cert says William's parents were James Barrett deceased gardener and Mary M/S Webb.
Cr

Yes seen that on a tree on Ancestry date of birth about 1890

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 08 July 25 18:15 BST (UK)
1901 census, St Pancras:  James Barrett, 41, gardener, born Edgeware; Mary, 38, born Hatfield; William, 11; Eunice, 9; Louis, 7; Alice, 4; and Ellen, 2, all born Highgate.
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 08 July 25 18:21 BST (UK)
Baptism for William James Barrett
31 st March 1890
St Michael Highgate
Date of birth 19 February 1890

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 09 July 25 11:57 BST (UK)
Isabella died  15 Feb 1951 in Penicuik.

I don't know when William died


Assuming you have the death certificate for Isabella Allan Barrett does it say anything about her husband was he still alive ?


Do you have the death certificate? What was the address? Who was the informant? Have you tried the Electoral Register?

If he was alive could he have returned to London  :-\  There is this death entry but no date of birth - digital image available

BARRETT, WILLIAM  JAMES     age 61 
GRO Reference: 1951  J Quarter in CITY OF WESTMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 359

Baptism for William James Barrett
31 st March 1890 St Michael Highgate
Date of birth 19 February 1890

Can’t see a WJB with that dob on 1939 register

What was his occupation on 1916 m/c?  1921 looks as if he’s on his own in Islington, London
William James Barrett 1890 Highgate, London
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 09 July 25 14:04 BST (UK)
When William James married in 1916 his occupation was "Railway Engineer"
When Isabella died in 1951, William's occupation was recorded as "Railway Engineer"

Informant t Isabella's death was a daughter as below

SS
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 09 July 25 14:13 BST (UK)
When William James married in 1916 his occupation was "Railway Engineer"
When Isabella died in 1951, William's occupation was recorded as "Railway Engineer"

Informant t Isabella's death was a daughter as below

SS

SS that was kind of you to get the certificate  :)

Informant is Isabella’s daughter from her first marriage Margaret R Wootton mn Forsyth born 1913 Penicuik edit to add she married Wootton/Povey 1951 Penicuik
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 09 July 25 14:27 BST (UK)
Daughter died 2008 with surnames Wootton & Ashton

Isabella apears to have been by herself in 1940 valuation rolls, 173a, John Street, Penicuik.

SS
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 09 July 25 14:48 BST (UK)
1921 scotland census records Isabella Bennett as married aged 32 & Margaret WoottEN aged 7y 11m.

Isaabella born 1916 not with them.

SS
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 09 July 25 15:55 BST (UK)
Do others want to see if this is the daughter as I really do not have time . Death 2006 of Isabella Allan hadlow with same dob 9.8.1916

SS
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 09 July 25 16:18 BST (UK)
Do others want to see if this is the daughter as I really do not have time . Death 2006 of Isabella Allan hadlow with same dob 9.8.1916

SS

Same death mentioned in reply 1 think C R should try and get the marriage in 1942 to see what it says

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 09 July 25 16:22 BST (UK)
1921 scotland census records Isabella Bennett as married aged 32 & Margaret WoottEN aged 7y 11m.

Isaabella born 1916 not with them.

SS

Nice one did see Margaret Wootten on the 1921 but couldn't match it up with a Isabella Barrett  ???

As posted by ladyhawk did see William James Barrett in 1921 in England

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Thursday 10 July 25 09:34 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your excellent research.
Cr
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 10 July 25 11:58 BST (UK)
Can someone give me a clue as to finding Isabella in 1939, struggling with dob 16.8.1916

Ss
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 10 July 25 13:06 BST (UK)
Can someone give me a clue as to finding Isabella in 1939, struggling with dob 16.8.1916

Ss

Isabel dob 9.8.16

Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 July 25 14:19 BST (UK)

You might want to check this out
Death Isabella Allan Hadlow
Birth date 9 August 1916
Died November 2006 Age 90
West Surrey

She can be found 1939 same birth date and maiden name

Marriage 1942
Surrey
Isobel  Barrett
Henry R Hadlow


For info. - image available to view on Anc*y
UK, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers Service Records, 1942-1959

Henry Roger Hadlow
Marital Status   Single
Birth 13 Nov 1912 Hampstead; London
Marriage  11 Apr 1942 Guildford
Residence Place   Edgware Middlesex
Enlistment Date   10 Oct 1940
Military Place   United Kingdom
Service Number   T/225670
Rank   W Corporal Unit   Baor Regiment   187 REME
Relationship to Service Member
Mrs Isobel Hadlwo Barrett Spouse
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 10 July 25 19:03 BST (UK)
1921 scotland census records Isabella Bennett as married aged 32 & Margaret WoottEN aged 7y 11m.

Isaabella born 1916 not with them.

SS

Looks like Isabel is with her grandmother Mary Barrett information a bit misleading but I would say it was her

Rosie

Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 July 25 21:15 BST (UK)
1921 scotland census records Isabella Bennett as married aged 32 & Margaret WoottEN aged 7y 11m.

Isaabella born 1916 not with them.

SS

Looks like Isabel is with her grandmother Mary Barrett information a bit misleading but I would say it was her


Well found Rosie
Title: Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
Post by: rosie17 on Friday 11 July 25 08:44 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your excellent research.
Cr

Is that your tree on Ancestry with all this information added curious to know if the marriage certificate was checked for the daughter?

Rosie