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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: dunkmac74 on Monday 07 July 25 11:52 BST (UK)
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Good morning all
Ive recently discovered some new info on a relative of mine please see attatchment i was wondering if someone would be kind enough to see if he married in Glasgow or was there on any census records from 1901 or 1911 please ?
Many thanks
Duncan
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More helpful if you actually transcribed the details so members can see them.
You can look for a marriage on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Free index then pay per view
Ancestry have the 1901 Scottish census - 1911 only available on the above link - pay per view
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Sorry, but your screenshot is too small to read the details.
I can just about make out his name as John Charles Macdonald. There are 13 records of marriages of John Charles M*cdonalds in Scotland after 1855. See screenshot.
Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in a few credits and use some of them to view the certificate online. It's pay-per-view but modestly priced.
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Is this his birth with mother's maiden name as McGibbon?
MCDONALD
JOHN CHARLES
MCGIBBON
M
1871
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Greenock East
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Hi Sancti
And sorry for late reply ive been helping me Dad move house i do apologise
Thanks for look up thats great
It could well be im not sure where Grenock East is tho? Any more help or info would be great 👌
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If you Google - where is greenock in scotland - it gives the info
Greenock East was the registration district
You can download a copy of his birth cert from the Scotlands People website & use the same site to look for his parents marriage. Downloading their marriage cert will take you back another generation as it will give both sets of parents names
Downloading is via purchase of credits. You also need credits to download the 1911 image as it is only available on SP
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Better image and also a cousin of his ive found thanks for replies
😁👌
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His cousin
The Family all seem to have gone from Scotland to Cornwall and back alot thru out the 1800s?? and liked to keep the Forester name going even using it as a middle name
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What information are you looking for?
Who are you looking for information on?
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Have you looked on SP as advised in earlier replies? Are the images from your own research or have you copied them from somebody else's tree?
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It looks as if you are copying from someone's public tree which is full of errors, and has no supporting documentation. That’s a waste of time.
John Charles MacDonald who died in 1960 in East Glamorgan (as seen on your screenshot)
was born in Penzance, Cornwall in 1878. (Not Scotland)
He married Beatrice Maud Stacey in 1904 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, WAles. (Not Scotland)
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Birth certificate available
MACDONALD, JOHN CHARLES Mother's maiden name - TRIGGS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in PENZANCE Volume 05C Page 297
His baptism record has the following
John Charles MacDonald
5 Jul 1878
Penzance, St Mary
Born 6 April ‘78
Father – Charles (Mariner)
Mother - Elizabeth Ann
Residence – Summer Court
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Go back to the original documents.
In the births index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk lists a birth of James Dempsey Forrester in 1905 in Greenock East, mother's maiden surname Carrigan. See screenshot. Therefore whoever drew up that tree had not bothered even to look at the index at Scotland's People, therefore you cannot and must not trust it to be correct.
Others have shown that the John Charles Macdonald who died in Wales in 1960 is not the one born in Greenock in 1882. Another indication that this tree is a load of nonsense.
Do not waste your time (or ours) on it.
Who, exactly, is your own ancestor, and what proof do you have?
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PS according to the 1881 census, John Charles Macdonald's father Charles Macdonald was also born in Cornwall.
Charles Macdonald and Elizabeth Ann Triggs were married in Penzance in 1875. You can order a copy of the marriage certificate from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#Results
It will tell you the names of the couple's father but unlike a Scottish marriage certificate it won't tell you the names of their mothers.
It looks as if Charles Macdonald's parents were John Macdonald and Elizabeth Hebberd or Hebbert, and that he was born in Penzance in 1852. His father John was also born in Cornwall.
There is no evidence so far from the primary sources to suggest any link between John Charles Macdonald, born 1878 in Penzance, to any family in Greenock or anywhere else in Scotland during the 1800s.
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Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best
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I would willingly look up John Charles Macdonald in the 1901 census if I knew which John Charles Macdonald you are looking for.
I've already posted the index listings of all the marriages of John Charles M(a)cdonalds from the Scotland's People web site. There are 13 of them. No-one is going to spend their own credits looking up 13 marriages for you, even though each lookup only costs a fraction of the cost of a cup of coffee. They might perhaps be generous enough to look up one if they knew what the wife's surname was.
But if your John Charles Macdonald was the one born in Penzance and died in Wales, it would be a waste of money for you, or any helpful person, to look up any of them.
And by the way, there is no record of a birth of a Charles M*cdonald or a John Charles M*cdonald in Greenock East, Greenock West, Port Glasgow or anywhere else in Renfrewshire in 1882. Which means that the birth in the tree not only isn't the right person, it doesn't exist at all.
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Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best
There is no financial cost to look up your Charles yourself, but you will have to make a small effort, and spend a little time.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/home/portal/
Details have already been posted for you, but you will have to make the effort to read it all.
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Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best
There is no financial cost to look up your Charles yourself, but you will have to make a small effort, and spend a little time.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/home/portal/
Details have already been posted for you, but you will have to make the effort to read it all.
There is also https://www.freecen.org.uk/ which is free, coverage is on page. If you have Cornish ancestry, as mentioned above, this resource is very good.
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/ which is also free.
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There are 6 births of M*cdonald children with mother's surname Stacey, all registered in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales: Samuel Charles, 1905; Christiana, 1906 (died 1906); Hilda May, 1907; Alice Maud, 1909 (died 1910); William Thomas, 1911 (died 1912), Violet, 1912 (died 1912); Stanley, 1915; Irene L, 1917; Christiana, 1918 ; Ivy, 1920 (died 1920); Elizabeth A, 1922; Cyril; J, 1924. There's also a Kenneth B D in Thanet, Kent, in 1923, who is probably not related.
In the 1911 census in Aberdare are John Charles, 30, born Penzance; Beatrice, 27, Born Liskeard, Cornwall; Samuel Charles, 6, and Hild May, 3, both born Aberdare. (Aberdare is in the Merthyr Tydfil registration district.)
In the index to the 1921 census in Aberdare are John, Beatrice, Samuel, Hilda, Stanley, Mene*, and Christina. (*Mene is probably a mistranscription of Irene.)
In 1939 John, Beatrice, Christina, Elizabeth and Cyril are in Pontypridd, Glamorgan.
Beatrice Maud M Stacey was born in St Germans in 1885. She died in East Glamorgan in 1972. The death index gives her DoB as 27 October 1886, but it's not unheard of for an informant to get a date of birth wrong on a death certificate.
Are these the family you are looking for?