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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: mickawinn on Saturday 05 July 25 16:54 BST (UK)
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I have Alice Eliza Louisa Drew, born 1881. Her. Birth certificate shows her mother as Mary Drew, a domestic servant but no father is shown. The address where she was born was 2, Miles Terrace, Walnut Tree Road, Greenwich. She was baptised at Christ Church Greenwich and this time it shows parent as Stephen & Mary Drew and shows their address as 2, Miles Terrace and Stephen’s occupation as Butler. I cannot find a marriage record
Does anyone know the area and know whether this was the sort of property which would have had servants, this is assuming the old story of servants getting too familiar.
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Have you checked the 1881 census for a Stephen Drew in that area with that occupation? Could he be her brother playing the role of husband because Mary was illegitimate?
She was baptised very quickly after birth - registered Sept qtr 1881 baptised 24.8.1881
Too coincidental that there is no father on the birth cert but suddenly one at the baptism. Mary is single but suddenly marries a man with the same surname between the birth & the baptism?? I think not!!
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1881 census shows that 2 Miles Terrace was uninhabited.
Other residences in the Terrace were occupied by Retired Victualler, Foreman Gas Works, Plumber, Bricklayer, Enginer Driver.
Added: FindMyPast allow census searching by address - very helpful :)
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1881 census shows that 2 Miles Terrace was uninhabited.
Beat me to it ;D
The reference is RG11/725 f15 page 23
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Thats odd about the census 3rd April it is unoccupied but by the 26th May it is given as the birthplace on Alice’s birth certificate. It is also given as their residence in Aug at the time of the baptism.
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But the census only records those people in the building at midnight on census day?
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She was baptised on 24th August - 5mths after the 1881 census. Where did you get 26th May from? Her birth was only registered in the Sept qtr 1881 - see my earlier reply
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CaroleW will get back to you when I have access to my records tomorrow.
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Found it. Although it is registered in the 3rd quarter the actual birth date is the 26th May and the certificate shows date of registration as 11th July.
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Catherine is a widow in/on 1891 census.
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Hoped Booth's poverty map covered the area but no (bottom right hand corner)
https://client-files.humap.site/booth/sheet1.jpg
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Walnut Tree Road
1886 - west of the infirmary linking Edward St and Conduit T(errace).
https://mapco.net/londongoods/goods23b.htm
1893/4
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101919861#zoom=4.7&lat=4629&lon=13172&layers=BT
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Is it the same Alice Eliza L Drew who died in Feb 1882 in Greenwich?
Does the death certificate give a father's name?
What address?
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Checked the death and it was for Alice Eliza Louisa Drew 8 months at 41 Edward St 5th Feb 1882 - mother Mary Drew a Domestic Servant. Registered by E M Sear of 41 Edward St who was present at death. Possible cause of death - Tabes
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Ooops looks like I have been going down the wrong path. I am waiting for the marriage certificate 1912 of Frederick Dennison and Alice Drew and obviously selected the wrong. Thanks everyone for your help.
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I am waiting for the marriage certificate 1912 of Frederick Dennison and Alice Drew
This is Frederick Albert Dennison with the many aliases, "lifelong criminal"? Lived in Bristol at one time.
In 1931, in one of the many newspaper articles about him, his wife is named as Elizabeth Alice Dennison.
Marriage
Sep 1912 Bromley 2a 1265a
Dennison, Frederick Albert (edit, sorry!)
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Drew, Alice E.
Also!
Sep 1912 Bromley 2a 1265
Anderson, Frederick A. E.
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Drew, Alice E.
Birth
DENNISON, JAMES EDWARD
Mother's Maiden Surname: DREW
GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 65 Occasional Copy: A
Also indexed as James E. Anderson in the original GRO birth index
1921 census in Bristol (info from free indexes)
Alice Anderson age 38 years 7 months, born Ruspidge, Gloucestershire
Frederick Anderson, 11, born Cinderford, Gloucestershire
James Anderson, 3 years 1 month, born Bristol, Gloucestershire
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Possibly Frederick's birth?
DREW, FREDERICK CAMERON ANDERSON
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in WESTBURY-ON-SEVERN Volume 06A Page 264 Occasional Copy: A
Later indexed as Frederick C. A. Anderson in the original GRO birth index (see image, bottom of page). Maybe a re-registration?
1911 in East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Drew, Sister, 28, born Glos. Ruspidge
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X71R-SXL
Also in household
Fred Drew, Nephew, born Glos. Ruspidge
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X71R-SXG
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Yes I have his criminal records from 1893 to 1931 with about 10 aliases so tracking him has been difficult. The 1912 marriage certificate shows is what I have ordered but wonder what the difference is with the suffix A.
I have also just found a Bromley removal order for his wife. The names appear to be completely different which has thrown another spanner in the works. The search goes on.
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Well I suppose Frederick might have two surnames on the marriage certificate, i.e. "Anderson otherwise Dennison", or the entry might have been amended later.
Anyway, it is indexed twice, let us know when you get the certificate!
Is this them in 1939? No more Anderson!
58 Kendale Road, Bridgwater, Somerset
Frederick A Dennison, born 16 Dec 1874
Eliza E A Dennison, born 21 Nov 1882
Maybe this death?
March 1966 Taunton 7c 261
Dennison, Elizabeth A. E.
Age 83
Which perhaps leads back to this birth!
DREW, ELIZA ELIZABETH ALICE
Mother's Maiden Surname: KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 253
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Yes I think that’s the 1939 and death entries. You mentioned Anderson and the removal record looks like her name as Anderson. All of this has led to me getting more and more confused!
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It's certainly been confusing for me as well! Hopefully the details for Alice and her father on the marriage certificate will clarify things.