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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: TomGad on Wednesday 02 July 25 14:50 BST (UK)
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I cannot find very much information on Mrs Wells at all. She married Richard Joseph Binns Gadney some time after Richard’s first wife Mary Moore passed away in 1832 but before 1841 where she is listed as being married to Joseph (Richard). The 1841 and 1881 Census both have Susan’s Birth as 1816 but I cannot find any birth. Can someone please help me?
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Your subject header says Susannah but on all bar one census entry she is Susan and is Susan on her death reg.
Also Susan on this adult baptismal entry at St Pauls Boughton Chester on 21.1.1884 which appears to relate to their son Francis born 1854
Born Oct 10th 1854 Baptised January 21st 1884
Christian name Francis
Parents Richard Joseph Binns Gadney & Susan
Address 27 Railway Terrace
You haven't included her birthplace. 1851 shows Barton Oxfordshire but 1871 appears to say
??Heyford?? All others are just Oxford
In 1841 the only children born after 1832 were Thomas aged 3 & Alfred aged 1 which helps narrow down a marriage as Thomas's birth was registered June qtr 1838
Her birthyear only varies very slightly from 1861
1851 birthyear is 1813
1861 1815
1871 1814
1881 1816
1891 1815
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I cannot find very much information on Mrs Wells at all. She married Richard Joseph Binns Gadney some time after Richard’s first wife Mary Moore passed away in 1832 but before 1841 where she is listed as being married to Joseph (Richard). The 1841 and 1881 Census both have Susan’s Birth as 1816 but I cannot find any birth. Can someone please help me?
She's not likely to be Mrs Wells at all if she married Richard Gadney, unless you are suggesting she was a widow at marriage, in which case her birth would be recorded under a different surname.
Pheno
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I cannot find very much information on Mrs Wells at all. She married Richard Joseph Binns Gadney some time after Richard’s first wife Mary Moore passed away in 1832 but before 1841 where she is listed as being married to Joseph (Richard). The 1841 and 1881 Census both have Susan’s Birth as 1816 but I cannot find any birth. Can someone please help me?
She's not likely to be Mrs Wells at all if she married Richard Gadney, unless you are suggesting she was a widow at marriage, in which case her birth would be recorded under a different surname.
Pheno
She must have been Wells, The surname became double barrelled for a few generations after there marriage to Gadney-Wells. They must have took both Gadney from Richard and Wells from Susan. She would have been Mrs Gadney not Mrs Wells. Thats my typo
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Childrens birth registrations show mmn as Wells
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Childrens birth registrations show mmn as Wells
Susan is still being named under her maiden name Wells in a newspaper article about her and Joseph (Richard) in 1840 but by 1841 she was under the Gadney surname. So sometime in either 1840 or 1841 she got married to Joseph.
"Susan Wells and Joseph Gadney, for assaulting Mrs. Grainge ; Wells was fined 10s, Gadney fined 5s."
Published: Saturday 02 May 1840
Newspaper: Oxford University and City Herald
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By 1840 they had 2 children so the fact she is referred to as Susan Wells in the article coupled with the absence of a marriage entry post 1840 would suggest they never married
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By 1840 they had 2 children so the fact she is referred to as Susan Wells in the article coupled with the absence of a marriage entry post 1840 would suggest they never married
How would the children have the mothers maiden name if they were never married then?
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Have been looking at the newspapers, there are a couple of reports in the paper of a Mary Gadney buried 17 May 1832 and both articles say she was married to Joseph Gadney, fisherman. Haven't found another burial yet for 1832.
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Have been looking at the newspapers, there are a couple of reports in the paper of a Mary Gadney buried 17 May 1832 and both articles say she was married to Joseph Gadney, fisherman. Haven't found another burial yet for 1832.
This has already been discussed a few threads previous to this.
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Ref your reply 7. There are numerous posts on Rootschat where children are registered in the man’s surname but the couple never married.
In doing so - one of 2 things can happen on the birth cert
The mother is shown as Susan Gadney nee Wells - giving the impression the couple are married
The mother is shown as Susan Wells
Do you have a copy of either of the first 2 children's birth certs?
Logic dictates that if they were married - why would she be referred to as Wells in relation to the assault charge in 1840?
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Ref your reply 7. There are numerous posts on Rootschat where children are registered in the man’s surname but the couple never married.
In doing so - one of 2 things can happen on the birth cert
The mother is shown as Susan Gadney nee Wells - giving the impression the couple are married
The mother is shown as Susan Wells
Do you have a copy of either of the first 2 children's birth certs?
Logic dictates that if they were married - why would she be referred to as Wells in relation to the assault charge in 1840?
Sadly I have neither certificates and cannot afford to get either of them. So I guess this will permantly be a big hole/gap on my tree.
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You can buy a digital copy of the birth cert for Alfred for £3 but save your money. Are you aware that Alfred married as Alfred Gadney Wells?
Father shown as Richard Joseph Binns WELLS occ bootmaker
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You can buy a digital copy of the birth cert for Alfred for £3 but save your money. Are you aware that Alfred married as Alfred Gadney Wells?
Father shown as Richard Joseph Binns WELLS occ bootmaker
Interesting, could you please provide me the link to buy Alfred’s certificate for £3. The family story goes is that the surname became Gadney-Wells for a long time and then a big arguement broke out in the family over the surname at somepoint and some of them kept the Wells part and some didnt.
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I would be interested in getting a copy of Alfred’s birth certificate as he is Joseph’s son and my 3 x great grandfather.
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Here is the link. If you have never bought a cert online before you have to register which is free.
Make sure you select digital copy when ordering. Do not select pdf
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Reference is Alfred Gadney. March qtr 1840 Headington Union Volume 16 Page 73.
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Here is the link. If you have never bought a cert online before you have to register which is free.
Make sure you select digital copy when ordering. Do not select pdf
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Reference is Alfred Gadney. March qtr 1840 Headington Union Volume 16 Page 73.
Can you please show me an example of what I will receive?
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No. I bought all certs I needed years ago. You get all info that you would get if you paid the full price but without the coloured paper etc etc
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Try this link for explanation
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CGOVPublicBeta.pdf