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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => Topic started by: Mccrorj2512 on Monday 30 June 25 16:50 BST (UK)
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Bit of a long shot but does anyone recognise this chap or the reference to a sporting event that occurred annually between 1920 and 1927 where he appears to have represented New Zealand?
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When I typed in "1920 to 1927 NZ cricket teams" to Google image this came up:
"The New Zealand cricket team in formal uniform for their tour of England in 1927" on a site called Stuff under the heading Why do Kiwi sports teams wear Black & White and when did it start? (scroll down about half way)
Not sure about pasting it here due to copyright ??? ???
(4th photo down)
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You could try looking through all these
https://ehive.com/collections/3255/new-zealand-cricket-museum
Or email them
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_cricket_team_in_England_in_1927
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The WIKI article lacks a photo for 2 players, one of whom is Ronald Henry Fox who was age 47 on tour.
I am the world's worst at identifying age from photos but feel the gentleman in the photo might be one of the more "mature" payers? But struggling to find a photo of said RHF.
Thought also might have been someone accompanying the squad in an official capacity?
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Quote "Thought also might have been someone accompanying the squad in an official capacity?"
My thoughts as well "hanes teulu" possible an umpire ??? ???
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Perhaps a much later photograph? The jacket does not seem to fit any more. A reunion or something?
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This photo shows the NZ team in 1923. The players are named.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tuf/
and this one dated 1925
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tug/
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I've taken a look at what photos exist of early New Zealand sports teams, and I feel sure that this unknown man was not amongst the photos of the NZ cricket teams of 1923 / 1925-26.
My reasoning is largely based on the style and tailoring of the blazers (jackets) they wore, which had quite distinct differences to the blazer worn by the unknown man.
1923 & 1925-26 cricket teams :
Blazer has >
* a wider white trim to lapels and front edging / tops of side and breast pockets. This trim has been formed by adding ribbon / petersham, as an embellishment.
* the "fern" emblem on breast pocket has the tip of the fern pointing downwards.
Unknown Man > * his blazer has finer, flat piping, to lapels, front edging and side pockets, made of folded fabric sewn into seams as the garment is being constructed.
* "Fern" emblem on breast pocket has its tip pointing ^ upwards.
Of course this man may have been a solo representative (not part of a particular team) ??? ;D
[He's a fine-looking "dude" whoever he is. ;D ]
~ Lu
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Hi Mccrorj2512
* Can you tell us please, where you have sourced this photo from ?
* [Maybe dependent on where photo comes from ... ] ... do you have any family names which could be associated with the man ??
~ Lu
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Perhaps a clearer image of the pocket detail would be helpful
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A surprising number of sporting bodies, and service personel, were using the silver fern on blazers etc by the 1920's.
Alan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_fern
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There's a photo of the 1928 NZ bowls team
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tui/
They are wearing an assortment of blazers but the badge is not a fern leaf.
I don't think there were NZ national teams for squash or badminton as early as 1920.
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Have attempted to zoom in x4 on the blazer pocket.
It appears to show a silver fern leaf across the outline of a shield.
Alan.
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Is the tie of any significance?
The cricketers weren't wearing any whilst some of the bowls team were.
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All Blacks Rugby? 0:33 m "The Genial Manager Mr. S. S. Dean"
https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/all-blacks-invincibles-tour-1925
Dean, Stanley Sydney McPherson, 1887-1971
Favourite
Manager of the 1922 New Zealand team ih Australia, and of the All Blacks (`Invincibles') 1924-1925, co-manager of the New Zealand Maori team in Fiji 1938. Member of the New Zealand Olympic and British Empire Games Association in 1950. [WWNZ 10th edition 1971]
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22442237
The video guy looks like the one in the photo you posted but the other photos don't look like him. Maybe another manager?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Dean
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I am wondering whether there is more in the background of the photograph.
If so, it may be helpful to see the entire picture please.
Sue
PS, As stated the jacket has certainly seen better days.
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Could this chap be Theodore 'Dorrie' Wright LESLIE?
Link to Stuff story below about him
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/8144055/Olympic-starter-had-iron-nerve
TPB
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Could this chap be Theodore 'Dorrie' Wright LESLIE?
Link to Stuff story below about him
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/8144055/Olympic-starter-had-iron-nerve
TPB
Front-facing photo of Dorrie LESLIE >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19450317.2.123.79.1
Better version here >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MS19300809.2.163.36.9
Only adding for comparison to "unknown man". ;D
Edited to add > photo
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19230925.2.152.5
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In reference to the 3rd photo added by Lucy2
I haven't done much research on this family, however from my Taylor family notes;
'J Taylor' is James Taylor who died in 1932 age 47 years.
In his obituary published in the Evening Post on 20 August 1932, it states that he assisted his brother-in-law “Dorrie” Leslie with massage work as part of the All Blacks training prior to the third test against the Springboks [at Athletic Park on 17 September 1921. The score was 0-0. Athletic Park resembled a lake due to heavy rain].
James officially accompanied the All Blacks to Australia in 1929.
TPB
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Ladies you are great team players.
Alan
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;D
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82873897/rare-olympic-collection-discovered-in-wellington-basement-days-before-rio
Alan ... I'm sure you are clever enough to be able to extract and enlarge a photo from the above article. :) (Yeah ? ;D )
If you scroll halfway down article, there is a very good pic of Dorrie LESLIE on his Olympic ID card.
[ I personally don't believe he was the mystery man ... but would love the opinions of others. ]
~ Lu
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Another photo here
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LBNB-1JK
Definitely NOT him ;D
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Ok two more clippings to assist with making the call. I too have reservations.
What I found different, was the white trim to the blazer, and I do not consider that very common, yet A. J. GRIFFITHS, team manager photographed with Mr LESLIE, was wearing one that also had a silver fern on the pocket.
Alan.
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The trim on the blazer in the original phto of "unkown" is actually diagonally striped braid I think. When you zoom in you can make out tiny stripes on it in all places where there is binding.
Likewise, the lighter coloured stripes on the tie have tiny diagonal stripes within them.
Also when I peer at the pocket, I am persuaded that its top edge has the same braiding (EDIT to correct spelling) but under it is some embroidered writing.
Can I see a date?
Maybe ???
Sue
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The trim on the blazer in the original phto of "unkown" is actually diagonally striped braid I think. When you zoom in you can make out tiny stripes on it in all places where there is binding.
Likewise, the lighter coloured stripes on the tie have tiny diagonal stripes within them.
Also when I peer at the pocket, I am persuaded that its top edge has the same braining but under it is some embroidered writing.
Can I see a date?
Maybe ???
Sue
That’s why I asked OP (who has been on line at least twice since starting this thread) if we could have a better close up of the pocket. Some context in where that photo comes from would be helpful too.
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Hi again.
I will post a couple of blazers that were of interest when I first started looking.
The silver fern on the rugby, blazer is very similar in shape and placement. Both have NEW ZEALAND across the top of the pocket, and occasion/event event below the fern logo.
Alan.
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I know the timeframe given by the OP doesn't fit, but this guy is a dead ringer for him.
https://stats.allblacks.com/all-players/profile/Monty-McClymont-AB-351
And a Mr. T. A. McClymont (coach)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Midgley#/media/File:NZ_Team_1938.png
Not him ::)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19400504.2.15.4.1