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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: jennyrob on Monday 30 June 25 15:43 BST (UK)
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According to Census Cecilia John nee Price /James was born in Brecknockshire around 1847
Know that she lived in Cardiff in 1881with Edwin John abt 1845 born Llandaff with Edwin's stepdaughters Elizabeth James and Edith Ellen James (presumable her children with previous relationships) and Son Miles John abt 1879 Cardiff , along William Harry John in 1889
No trace of Marriage certs
Have all their birth records, Miles had mother Cecelia nee James
Edith Ellen born had father John James butcher and mother Sally Thomas and Elizabeth had father John James butcher with mother Cecilia James nee Price
At screaming point and don't know what's happening
Did she not marry either of them
Help
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Can you find a likely birth for a Cecelia Price to start with
How old are Edith and Elizabeth James? Would they appear on an earlier census that might help?
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In 1881 Elizabeth is 6 and Edith is 5 so won't appear in 1871
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Edith Ellen born had father John James butcher and mother Sally Thomas
Sally Thomas is a curve ball isn't it. Could there be another Edith Ellen birth with the same names but the right mother
Do both the girls have the same birth address? Was the mother the informant in both cases?
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Miles John abt 1879 Cardiff , along William Harry John in 1889
A 10 year gap? What names are on William Harry John birth certificate dare I ask?
I see from the baptisms Edwin John was a butcher as well
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Both Miles John (age 11) and William Harry John were baptised in 1889 with parents Edwin and Cecilia
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Just speculating ;D
In 1851 there is a Cecilia Price with parents William and Sarah living in Merthyr. I wonder if the mothers maiden surname is Thomas :-\. There is a marriage in 1844 June qtr for a William Price with a Sarah Thomas amongst the possibilities - Merthyr reg district
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Birth registration
PRICE, CILIA mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1848 September Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 26 Page 434
PRICE, MARY mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1845 Sept Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL UNION Volume 26 Page 386
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Just noting there is a Cecelia Price the right age born in Brecon. Father is John, a blacksmith. Mother on baptism is Charlotte.
Not found with her parents in 1851, when John appears to be married to Hannah. She's with them in 1861
Also worth noting a marriage between a Cecelia Hall (father Isaac) and John James in Merthyr district in 1874. Possibly mixing up different couples here?
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Thanks for all the relies more questions
There was only one Edith Ellen born around that time parents John James and Sarah James formerly Thomas were living at 44 Havelock St St Marys
Elizabeth James father was John James butcher and Cecelia James formerly price where living at 64 Severn Road Canton Cardiff
Found a Cecelia Price 1861 in Brecon castle street with father John price and Hannah
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1881 census and 1891 census
Edith James is just that not Edith Ellen James
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Edith's surname is not necessarily James even though it is recorded that way on the census.
Cecelia was living with John James when she had Elizabeth 1874
Edith born circa 1876, father may not be the same man.
Her mother is living with Edwin John when Miles was born 1878
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Given Cecilia's father's occupation on 1861 Census, this looks very much like Hannah - see col 3.
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3881149/3881153/47/price%2BOR%2Bcastle%2BOR%2Bstreet
Also
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3857578/3857581/26/hannah%2BOR%2Bprice
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John Price married Charlotte Randel 12 April 1846 St Mary's Chapel, Parish of St John the Evangelist
John was a Blacksmith, Charlotte was a servant.
His father William - Pavier
Her father Charles - Mason
Witness Thomas Bevan, Elizabeth Price
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Charlotte wife of John Price - Blacksmith buried 8 April 1849 age 24 .St John the Evangelist.
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John Price married Hannah Watkins reg. 1851 reg. Brecknock
children
John 1854 mother's maiden name Watkins
James Morgan 1858 ditto
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I think it's possible Cecelia is the daughter of John and Charlotte.
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1851 Census Llanelly Breconshire
Charles Randall 58 Stone Mason born Peterchurch Herefordshire
Sarah 58 born St Margaret's Herefordshire
Cecelia 19 born Peterchurch Herefordshire??
The word weeks has been crossed out after the 19 that has been over written, so I'm wondering if this is Cecelia with her grandparents in 1851 she would have been 3-4 years old though.
A real long shot.
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John Price and Charlotte nee Randel/Randall
Cecelia bap 16 May 1847 (born 18 April 1847)
Sarah bap 11 March 1849 - buried 25 March 1849 infant- Chapel Lane, father John - Blacksmith
Then his wife Charlotte is buried 8 April 1849. Chapel Lane