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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: trevalyn on Saturday 28 June 25 17:48 BST (UK)
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TERENCE PUDNER died on 22 Dec 1918 after serving with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. Aged 23, he was the son of Margaret Pudner of 13 Maria Street, Neath. He died in the Memorial Hospital at Llantwit Lower.
Terence Pudner died of tuberculosis just after the end of the War and it is likely that he is entitled to a War Grave. This , however, requires proof of burial to be established.
Can anyone help me to discover where this "Forgotten Soldier" is buried?
I would be very grateful for any information.
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My second d cousin died 1918 I think he had influenza on his death certificate but he has a war grave headstone, sadly this man who gave his life was rejected a few years before the first World War as not suitable yet this poor man was suitable to die for his country
LM
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Do you know where his parents are buried, is there a chance he’s there? I see there were several ex service men in Cimla Tuberculosis Hospital when he was there,did any of those die whilst there, if so, where were those buried? Could he be there? Given his M.M. a local newspaper may have recorded his death?
Just a few thoughts.
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I am struggling with this name. The 1911 Census (Family Search) does not appear to have anyone with the surname Pudner. Or am I missing something?
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Try variations
Pounder, ?
LM
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I am struggling with this name. The 1911 Census (Family Search) does not appear to have anyone with the surname Pudner. Or am I missing something?
They're Pudner on Ancestry
Found them - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXX-Y3P?lang=en
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So Family Search gives the name as PUDUER. Interesting that in the Census details he is described as "British Subject by Parentage"
Likely to have been the only family of that name in the Neath area?
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Dad's from Kidwelly/Oystermouth, where Richard William Terence was born. There's a collection of Pudners in the Llanelli area, descended from William b in Teignmouth, plus another group in Pontypool, who I think descend from William's brother
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Probably buried at either Ynysmaerdy or Llantwit New Cemetery (but no Pudner's listed on the online Llantwit New list of graves).Not in any of the C of E local burial grounds (Cadoxton/ Llantwit old/ Skewen and not listed on any of the online grave databases as far as I can see. Since he was baptised in Oystermouth parish Ch, he's unlikely to have been buried in a non-con burial ground.
He wrote from hospital asking for games for the hospital, shortly beore he must have died, but there's no obvious death notice. His mother was widowed and her house affected by an explosion in the 1920's. No sign of any Pudner burials in Neath area, so could well be in an un-marked grave.
Best bet is contacting NPT Council with the date of death.
There are Pudners still living in Neath who may have info on the whereabouts of his grave.
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All a bit of a mystery. The 1911 Census details (Family Search) indicate that Terence and his siblings were born at "Meembles". Is that more likely to be Mumbles? Wonder if any family member may have died/ been buried in Mumbles while the family was living there? We are now into the realm of long-shots.
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Forgive my lack of local knowledge - just realised that Oystermouth and Mumbles are closely related.
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Interesting appeal a few months before he died
South Wales Evening Post
Swansea, West Glamorgan, Wales
Fri, 20 Sept 1918
Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/article/south-wales-evening-post/178353568/
Sandra
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Listed on the Gnoll Park Gates, Neath - T Pudner.
https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/252507
Sandra
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I can confirm that Terence is buried with his father Robert and sister Sarah Elizabeth (Gwendoline) at Llantwit cemetery plot C64. The cemetery team are sending me a map tomorrow, of the location o the grave.
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I can confirm that Terence is buried with his father Robert and sister Sarah Elizabeth (Gwendoline) at Llantwit cemetery plot C64. The cemetery team are sending me a map tomorrow, of the location o the grave.
That's brilliant Sam - great find. :)
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That's Llantwit Council Cemetery (not the Church side)
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Great result - another Forgotten Soldier found.
Well done, Sam Swift - and thank you (both) for all your help.
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Will let you know if the map makes it possible to locate the grave.
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Grave located, small stone with only given names of parennt and sister visible. Easilyicated in in section below (or behind as you face) the CWGC graves.
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Not sure how to upload images from my mobile
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Great work, Sam. That rounds off the picture very nicely.
Thank you for all your help.
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Posting 4 images hopefully
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Photo 2 of grave
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Photo 3 & 4 of grave
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If you stand looking from the Cwgc plot, plot C is over the hedge running downhill. The grave is 7 rows down and 5 rows in (to the right) and has a grave marker C 64.will try and attach the map.
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Plan of Plot C 64