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Does anyone have any information on Fay Ellen Hoban born 1907 location unknown
She was a miniature portrait painter and this article appeared in Queensland on 5 October 1936
ttps://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182412243?searchTerm=Fay%20Hoban%20miniature
The article says she was British, but I cannot find her birth 2nd February 1907
She married Peter Barrie Sutcliffe and died in Bournemouth Dorset in abt Nov 2000, having 3 children
One was Barrie Grenville Sutcliffe Born 1931 died 14th January 2024 Poole Dorset, a dentist
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Probate
Sutcliffe, Fay Ellen
Date of death 6 October 2000
Date of probate 25 January 2001
597644 PROBATE Winchester
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Does her marriage have any parent information?
How about Scotland births in case it wasn’t in England/Wales
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Thanks for the replies, I have no marriage details for Peter and Fay
They lived in New Zealand and came to the UK after the war
Peter was a bit of a rogue!
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There is an Ellen Hoban born 1907 Fulham, could have a look for her if only to rule out.
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No Sutcliffe-Hoban marriage on FreeBMD (England & Wales).
Wonder if they married in Scotland?
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Or New Zealand if they came to the UK from there
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Thanks, there is no record of an Ellen Hoban on the General Register Office
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I personally cannot view this , taken from FindMyPast
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Fay
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1911
Britain And Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Great Britain
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Thanks, there is no record of an Ellen Hoban on the General Register Office
Just for completeness - nothing on Isle of Man either!
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Thanks everyone, she is a bit of a mystery as always!
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Charles may not have been free to marry,
Victoria, Australia
AUSTIN
Wilga Mary
Marriage
SUTCLIFFE, Chas Barrie
1926
3024/1926
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Do you have the passenger list of them coming to the UK?
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I cannot view.
UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960Preview
Passenger Lists
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Record information.
Name
Mrs Wilga Mary Sutcliffe
Other
xxxxxxx x x xxxxxxxxx
Birth
xxx xxxx
Departure
xx xxx xxxx England
Arrival
Melbourne, Australia
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Was he Peter Barrie or Charles Barrie - or both
The couple are in Queensland in 1936. He is Charles there and she is an artist.
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They came to London May 1948 with one son 17 and two daughters 12 and 10. Image on FindMyPast
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Long shot but there is a birth abt 1908 Victoria Australia for Hary Ellen Hoban just in case Hary is meant to be Fay (transcription only)
Parents Michl Hoban
Bella Cath Brennan
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She was a miniature portrait painter and this article appeared in Queensland on 5 October 1936
ttps://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182412243?searchTerm=Fay%20Hoban%20miniature
Link needs a tweak to work. Has photo
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182412243
AUSTIN
Wilga Mary
Marriage
SUTCLIFFE, Chas Barrie
1926
3024/1926
A son born in 1927
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3836853?searchTerm=sutcliffe
Later that year, marital problems. Maintenance case in court
The Age, 23 July 1927
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206168720
It would be a good idea to get the death certificate of Fay Ellen Sutcliffe.
Should give her maiden name and place of birth (as believed by the informant)
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Peter Barrie son of Charles and Wilga - divorced. Charles Barrie went on to have three more children with Fay
Charles Barrie was done for fraud in NZ employed by Dominion Portrait Company date 1929. Got 2 years probation as it was his first offence
Fay Hoban miniatures can be seen online
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Otago Daily Times, 10 May 1930
PASSENGERS BY THE AORANGI
Following is a list of passengers from New Zealand on board the R.M.M.S. Aorangi, which left Auckland last Tuesday for Suva, Honolulu, and Vancouver
Mr and Mrs C. B. Sutcliffe
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19300510.2.52
They return in September, having embarked at Suva, Fiji, with a three month old baby
Mr. C. B. Sutcliffe 30 born England
Mrs. F. E. Sutcliffe 23, born England
Mast. B. G. Sutcliffe 3 mths, born Fiji
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXD4-7NG
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1932, Auckland to Sydney?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6P29-MFK
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They came to London May 1948 with one son 17 and two daughters 12 and 10. Image on FindMyPast
Here is the outward from New Zealand (maybe it's the same?)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PYD-V
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April 1937
Arrival in Auckland, having embarked Sydney
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6119-WT1
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Probate
Sutcliffe, Fay Ellen
Date of death 6 October 2000
Death notice for her
Sutcliffe Fay Ellen
(Fay Hoban - Artist), of Wimborne Minster. Peacefully age 93 years, at St. Bridget's Nursing Home, Talbot Woods on Wednesday, October 6th, 2000. Beloved wife of Charles Barrie Sutcliffe (dec'd), adored Mother of ......and Mother Fay to her Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren. Funeral service at The Minster, Wimborne on Wednesday 11th October at 11.30am followed by interment at Wimborne Cemetery. Flowers and further enquiries to Nicholas O'Hara Funeral Directors, 38 Rowlands Hill, BH21 1AW. Tel:882134
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I see that Ecoh hasn't stayed around!
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There were problems with Rootschat and sending stuff, so I gave up.
Very interesting about the birth in Fiji - thanks. They travelled all over the place and were quite itinerant, The Trove article confirmed this when they were in New Zealand. I am pretty sure Charles Barrie was getting money from trust funds. His origins were Yorkshire and I have plenty on the Sutcliffe family except this branch
I must do a time line, and have ordered Fay’s death certificate with the hope it gives more information
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Was it an attachment you were having problems with?
Some basis rules:
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File name must be unique within RootsChat
Or maybe because you posted in the board entitled:
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It was a png file, maybe too big, but it stopped me sending anything else. Later it came up about RootsChat knowing about the problem and I think it said it was fixing it
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21/07/1922 he left UK for Cape Town (first class) a civil servant
1924 UK to Sydney
1926 CB marries Wilga Mary Austin- what month?
26/06/1926 Brisbane to Plymouth (UK) with Wilga he was a salesman
1926 UK to Australia with Wilga - he’d “shown her” to his parents and she was pregnant
03/02/1927. Peter Barrie Sutcliffe born
04/07/27 CB left Wilga. He appears in court for not paying maintenance and is a traveller for paintings
1929 March CB given probation for fraud working for Dominion Portraiture Company
1930 May CB and Fay left Auckland for Fiji
1930 September CB and Fay return from Fiji to Auckland with 3 month baby Barrie Grenville
1935 Fay Ellen Sutcliffe Born Brisbane
1936 Fay and CB in Brisbane
07/11/1937 Alison Marie Sutcliffe Born Auckland NZ
1939. “Stuck” in NZ because of the war
1948 ? May Auckland to London with Fay and 3 children he secretary, she artiste
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Did CB divorce Wilga, or did she divorce him :-\ What happened to her after they separated.
Do you have the birth certificates of Fay Ellen Sutcliffe (1935) and Alison Marie Sutcliffe (1937)
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I don’t know anything about the divorce, but Wilga had quite a colourful family and with connections to the Balarat Jam Company
I don’t have any birth certificates
From all the investigations and help from RootsChat I think that Charles Barrie possibly married Wilga in a hurry, regretted it, was a drinker and philanderer and probably met Fay in 1927 or earlier when he was a traveller for paintings
From ship records we know that he was with Fay from at least 1930 and she is always referred to as Mrs Sutcliffe although that may not be true. They could have married elsewhere as the 1936 Trove article
“ She has already spent five years in New Zealand, a year in the South Seas, and several months in the southern States, which she will eventually revisit. When she finally leaves Queensland, however, she will return to England, she hopes, via Malay, Colombo, and Bombay”
I have tried to look for a Fay Hoban with a mother’s maiden name Granville which was their son Barrie’s middle name, but not had any luck