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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: jille68 on Saturday 28 June 25 15:07 BST (UK)
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I have found the banns for a Margaret Rimmer and Thomas McGrath. The church is down as St Johns Liverpool on Ancestry.com and were read on 19th June, 26 June and 3 July 1864. However, I can't find any record of the marriage. There is no other notations on the banns, is this very common?
Thanks
Jill
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Hmmm?
Marriages June qtr 1865
West Derby Registration District vol 86, page 630
McGrath, Margaret
+ And, on the same page +
Rimmer, Thomas
Could the wrong surnames have been applied?
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That marriage is on Anc.
Sephton Parish church
April 27th 1865
Thomas Rimmer bachelor Great Crosby - father William Rimmer, Publican
Margaret MCGrath, minor, Liverpool - father Thomas McGrath (deceased) Bootmaker
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This Thomas was a Pawnbroket
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That marriage seems unlikely.
There is a birth (August) and baptism for:
Mary Jane McGrath, 19th September 1864 with parents Thomas, a Coach spring maker and Margaret.
Does that fit with your family?
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Perhaps they never went through with the marriage.
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I suppose it could be the surnames were transposed, I'm trying to find the actual marriage register for the church, not just the banns to see if I can find anything more.
Or perhaps the wedding never took place.
Could it be that they were read in another church too in a different parish (or faith?)
Thanks to all who have replied
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Do you have them in 1871 census?
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Do you have them in 1871 census?
No, I have her married to someone else (I know she was a widow when she married, or at least down as a widow)
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I was looking in 1871 too for the little girl to see who she was with but no luck. Bit of an odd one isn't it.
When did she marry someone else?
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Woukd you give details of her remarriage please?
Transcriptions of St John’s are at https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ but I can’t see a marriage.
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I was looking in 1871 too for the little girl to see who she was with but no luck. Bit of an odd one isn't it.
When did she marry someone else?
I have her in 1871, married with children, think she married in 1868 to a Barrett.
I'm starting to think the marriage just didn't happen for whatever reason. The banns are in a Church of England church and I know they were roman catholic. Mixed faith marriages did happen obviously, but it was rare (from my experience in family history) for the catholic to go to CofE, especially when it was a female.
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Does she have Mary Jane with her or just younger children?
If you have the certificate showing her as a widow can you confirm her fathers name?
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Mary Jane was baptised C o E - not Catholic - doesn’t seem to fit.
I can’t see a McGrath/Barrett marriage.
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Did she marry as Margaret Thomas?
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There is a Catholic marriage in 1866
Margaret Rimmer - father James to Edward Thomas
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Name Margaret Rimmer
Gender Female
Marriage Date 3 Jul 1864
Marriage Place St. John'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Spouse
Thomas Mcgrath
FHL Film Number 1656204
same date as the last reading of the banns which state 'marriage banns'
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I was looking in 1871 too for the little girl to see who she was with but no luck. Bit of an odd one isn't it.
When did she marry someone else?
I have her in 1871, married with children, think she married in 1868 to a Barrett.
I'm starting to think the marriage just didn't happen for whatever reason. The banns are in a Church of England church and I know they were roman catholic.
Mixed faith marriages did happen obviously, but it was rare (from my experience in family history) for the catholic to go to CofE, especially when it was a female.
Is this the 1871 census you refer too
Piece 3826
Folio 21
Page number 35
Thomas Barrett 27 Head
Magaret Barrett 28 Wife Liverpool, Lancashire
Christopher Barrett 2 Son
Thomas Barrett 1 mth so
BARRETT, CHRISTOPHER mn RIMMER
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 348
BARRETT, THOMAS mn RIMMER
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 350
and is this her 1881
Margaret Barrett Age 35
Where born Liverpool
Street Address "Birkenhead Union Workhouse"
Marital Status Married
Piece 3588
Folio 147
Page number 2
Also
Mary Barrett age 6 mths Tranmere
Ada Barrett age 4 pob dittoed Tranmere
Possible birth entries
BARRETT, ADA ANN mn RIMMER
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 398
BARRETT, MARY mn RIMMER
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 469
Ada Anna Barrett
Birth Date 14 Nov 1875
Baptism Date 28 Nov 1875 St John's, Liverpool, Lancashire
Father Thomae Barrett Mother Margaritae Rimmer
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Did she marry as Margaret Thomas?
There is a Catholic marriage in 1866
Margaret Rimmer - father James to Edward Thomas
Edwardus Charles Rimmer Thomas Birth 24 Oct 1866
Baptism 4 Nov 1866 St Anthony's, Liverpool, Lancashire
Father Edwardi Rimmer Thomas Mother Marguerita Rimmer
THOMAS, EDWARD CHARLES RIMMER mn RIMMER
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 413
Edward Thomas age 4 is with his Rimmer grandparents James & Roseanna in 1871 Piece 3812 Folio 130 Page number 31
Marriage 10 Oct 1844 St Mary Highfield Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
James Rimmer Father Henry Rimmer
Spouse Rosanna Crosbie father John
RIMMER, MARGARET mn CROSBY
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 407
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Margarita Remmer Age 13, Jacobi & Rosanna
Confirmation 24 Oct 1858 St Oswald, Liverpool, Lancashire
Liverpool, England, Catholic Confirmations, 1813-1926