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Title: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Andrew Brown on Monday 23 June 25 09:57 BST (UK)
Hi There looking for more info on the parents and siblings of Samuel Hendren

Born 7 OCT 1794 • Tullyallen, Armagh, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

26 JUL 1867 • Middletown, Armagh, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

I know that his father was John Hendren 1761 • Cladymore, Armagh, Ireland and Mother Elizabeth?

In the some parish records it mentions that Samuel was the fifth son of John Hendren, farmer of Mullabrack, Co. Armagh, Ireland. His eldest brother is said to have been James born c1779. The other three brothers, and three sisters, are said to have been between James and Samuel. I wish to know names and/or birth dates for those brothers and sisters. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 01:58 BST (UK)
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/loughgilly-lower-orior-portion/mountnorris/tullyallen/ is a reasonable way from Middletown (20 miles), may not be the same person, given the huge gaps in availability offline or online.
Samuel Hendron 26th JUNE 1867, aged 72, Tynan Sub-District of Armagh according to GRONI.
No denomination or parish is mentioned?

Refer to https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records
The only online resource is likely https://rootsireland.ie/armagh/online-sources.php and very few of their transcriptions go into the 1700's.
Loughgilly Church of Ireland registers only commence 1804 and are not online. Presbyterian ones start later as do R.C.

"C.I. Mullabrack (Armagh diocese). Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin i.e. baptisms, 1737-63 and 1813-75, marriages, 1737-63 and 1812-45, and burials, 1737-60 and 1813-74"

Clady More is another Parish again https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/fews-lower/kilclooney-lower-fews-portion/clady/clady-more/ with no records before 1832.
What & were the parish records you consulted.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Andrew Brown on Tuesday 24 June 25 04:45 BST (UK)
Found some that info here
https://gw.geneanet.org/rlmuller?n=hendren&oc=&p=samuel&_gl=1*1hx4j1b*_gcl_au*MTAzNDg4MjIwNS4xNzQ4OTQ1MzQw*_ga*NDMxNDgxOTAwLjE3MTY4NTg5OTY.*_ga_4RKCCQD74Y*czZiYTdiNjcxLTE5M2QtNDU3Ny04YTg5LTE0OTQwODJhMDJkNSRvNDEzJGcxJHQxNzUwNzM2NjQ1JGoxNSRsMCRoMA..
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 07:29 BST (UK)
Geneanet is just public trees same as Ancestry.
Suggest you wade through the trees on ancestry and try to find what it valid from where you are working from. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1030/?name=samuel_hendron&birth=1794_ireland_3250&count=50&name_x=1_p

This is presumably your one
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/198240505/person/132590306572/facts
Certainly some of the records match for Samuel, the death, Griffiths Valuation, Encumbered Estates.
Why didn't you state that Samuel Hendron that died 26 June 1867 in Doogary, aged 72 & married, was a Rev. a Presbyterian Clergyman, per his attached death cert? Despite the absence of church records the Presbyterian Historical Society has a Fasti of ministers https://presbyterianhistoryireland.com/web-resources/minister-lists-fasti/ there is also History of congregations of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland and biographical notices of eminent Presbyterian ministers and laymen https://archive.org/details/historyofcongreg00kill though I got no result for a search for Hendren/on within (Middletown church is not included).
Also explains why he moved.
You won't make progress before Samuel if his father was a Farmer though, for any research in the mid 1700's you have to he delving hands on into original Estate Records in the archives themselves. You & the trees seem to have gathered up all the online stuff.
Son David Charles Hendren's death cert says his mother was Anne McCullagh. Baptised 2nd Markethill 1 June 1827 the snip in the trees is from their website https://markethillpresbyterian.co.uk/genealogy/ and she seems to have come came from a line of Presbyterian ministers.

The Geneanet mentiones a source being a Markethill history published 1981 so not online.
PRONI guide indicates P. 1st Markethill: Baptisms, 1843-89; marriages, 1845-1936.
P. 2nd Markethill: Baptisms, 1821-1926; marriages, 1821-1924.
Check or subscribe/join https://presbyterianhistoryireland.com/
https://markethillpresbyterian.co.uk/history/

The Places > Churches section of https://www.bygonesandbyways.com/mainmenu.htm also mentions the known ministers.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: scotmum on Tuesday 24 June 25 09:40 BST (UK)
In 1847, the Armagh Guardian has mention of a Rev Samuel Hendron, P.M., of Middletown in a list of local clergyman being selected to form a Committee. Then in 1849, the Drogheda Argus has mention of a marriage in the Presbyterian Church, Middletown by the Rev Samuel Hendron  D.D. There are various other mentions of him in newspapers under the Hendren spelling. He belonged to the Presbetery of Monaghan.

In 1855 he conducted a marriage at Middlestown, where it was also noted that he was an uncle to the bride, she being a Mrs Carson, relict of a James Carson of Mallabrackscatt (possible spelling variation, so likely https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/trough/donagh/enagh/mullabrack-scott/), and marrying an Alexander Wallace of Hillhall. That marriage has her as Anne Carson https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-2005586, father's name hard to read, possibly David Byers.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 13:27 BST (UK)
Ulster Gazette, 31 Oct 1863, Belfast Weekly News 7 Nov 1863 Belfast News-Letter 3 Nov 1863
William Hendron elected an alderman of Ipswich & magistrate of that portion of the colony of Queensland,. A native of Middletown, Armagh, son of Rev. Samuel Hendren.

He was at Middletown from at least 1835 till his death, dozen or more mentions of marriage by Rev. Samuel Hendren of Middletown in Belfast as well as Armagh papers eg Belfast News-Letter 20 April 1838, Banner of Ulster 10 February 1843. Also Newry, Tyrone (Tyrone Constitution for a marriage he conducted at Caledon) & Monaghan papers (Northern Standard 11 Nov 1843 5th Nov at Middletown anniversary of the gunpowder treason. Orange flags on the church spire Rev. Samuel Hendren Presby minister gave fitting discourse.

search terms Samuel Hendren / Rev. Hendren / Rev.Samuel + keyword Middletown

Probably the most interesting is Belfast Commercial Chronicle 26 November 1823 as confirms what I saw earlier in your & other trees.
Belfast Commercial Chronicle 26 November 1823. Married. On the 8th inst. by the Rev. Samuel Beattie, of Ahoghill, Mr Samuel Hendren, A.M. to Mrs Ann Moore, relict of the late Rev. David Moore, of Markethill, and daughter of Samuel M'Cullagh, Esq. Cladymore, near said place.

1824 Rev. Mr Hendren conducted marriages in Belfast

If you don't have access to Findmypast or British Newspaper Archive try the Belfast News Letter on Ancestry as the BMD's are indexed on it and the remainder of the other pages (whole editions) scanned & browsable https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2193/

https://australianroyalty.net.au/tree/purnellmccord.ged/individual/I20016/William-Hendren
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/hendren/429/
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: scotmum on Tuesday 24 June 25 14:05 BST (UK)
As recorded in the Liverpool Albion newspaper in Nov 1868:

DEATHS:
HENDREN—Aug. 7, at Frogmore, near Penrith, Australia, aged 41, David Charles, son of the late Rev. Samuel Hendren, County Armagh.

Also, Samuel was recorded in this Almanac of 1847:

https://archive.org/stream/mccombspresbyter00unse/mccombspresbyter00unse_djvu.txt
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 14:16 BST (UK)
NAI REFERENCE: CSO/RP/1830/1633    Record 1633

Letter from [Rev] Samuel Hendren, Presbyterian Seceding Minister of Middletown, Carricklane, [County Armagh], to [Sir Henry Hardinge [1st Viscount Hardinge, Chief Secretary, Dublin Castle], asking for a reply to an application for the royal bounty; recent developments in the area. Also includes annotations mentioning Lord Gosford Lord Gosford [Archibald Acheson, 2nd earl Gosford], and asking for an enquiry.
DATE: 18 Sep 1830-24 Sep 1830
https://csorp.nationalarchives.ie/search/index.php?browse=true&category=27&subcategory=198&offset=1630

Actually you know he was there then as the Encumbered Estates record of 1851 states he is the sole surviving one of the 5 that signed the lease 30 June 1828 for the church in Middletown (Townland & village).

Geneanet refers to Univ of Glasgow as a Source at bottom
Samuel Hendren. University of Glasgow Graduate. Degree: Master of Arts. Graduation Year: 1820
https://universitystory.gla.ac.uk/people?search=&surname=hendren
https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/archivespecialcollections/discover/university/student/

His entry in the online "Matriculation Albums of the University of Glasgow from 1728 to 1858" book referred to above which states in latin was the 5th son of John a Farmer of the parish of Mullabrack. Ordained minister of Middletown Secession Congregation 1827, died 26 July 1867.
https://archive.org/details/matriculationalb00univuoft/page/300/mode/2up?q=hendren
https://archive.org/details/rollofgraduateso00addiuoft/page/262/mode/2up?q=hendren
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:17 BST (UK)
The Liverpool Albion entry 2 Nov 1868 is free to view
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=BL%2F0003114%2F18681102&page=3&article=030&stringtohighlight=hendren

Londonderry Standard 6 June 1866.
The Report of the Synod of Armagh and Monaghan was read, and in conjunction with it, a memorial from Rev. Samuel Hendren, Middleton, praying that he should be allowed a sum of £40 per annum, which had been given to his assistant since he was appointed, some eleven years ago. He had only the sum of £29 to support himself and his wife and daughter during that period, and he is at present in very illl health.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:31 BST (UK)
Ann Hendron, aged 85, died Doogary 8 Dec 1877 (not 1867 or 1870 in Markethill or Lisdrumchor per trees).
https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=0c9e5f72a2-6363974
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:37 BST (UK)
A History of the Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland 1610-1982, published 1982. (page 639) Middletown. Some Middletown people came before the Armagh (Sec.) Presbytery on 25 July 1826 requesting "supply of sermon". This was granted and continued until 20 June 1827, when a call was made to Mr, Samuel Hendrin (lic. Armagh). He was the last Irish Burgher student to study at the Secession College in Glasgow. The stipend was £24 per annum. In 1839 the Synod suspended him for intemperance, but he was restored later in the same year. A visitation in July 1840 revealed that only £11 of stipend had been paid and there was a building debt of £46, He retired in 1854 and died on 26 July 1867.
,,, In 1866 a memorial from Mr. Hendrum, describing his condition "as in poverty and under disease, and praying for the restoration of that portion of the Regium Donum endowment which for some years had gone to hisassistant, and suggesting that an equal sum be paid to that assistant from the Sustentation Fund." This was done ...
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:41 BST (UK)

Doogary townland east of Middletown.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/tiranny/tynan/middletown/doogary/


Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:47 BST (UK)
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there is also History of congregations of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland and biographical notices of eminent Presbyterian ministers and laymen https://archive.org/details/historyofcongreg00kill though I got no result for a search for Hendren/on within (Middletown church is not included).
Middletown was a Secession church so not included in the 1886 book but is listed in the 1982 work which I quoted about.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 16:50 BST (UK)
So that history of Congregations & the Glasgow Univ say died 26 July 1867 whereas the hand copied Irish death cert from after 1972 says 26 June (attached in public trees). GRONI from the original register index his death as 26 June and that must be correct as the Irish cert says was registered 6 July 1867.
Being pre-1871 the quarterly copy is unavailable on Irishgen. I searched for newspaper entries end June beginning July and did not find using Hendren or Middletown.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 17:06 BST (UK)
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Middletown was a Secession church so not included in the 1886 book but is listed in the 1982 work which I quoted about.

I suggested contacting/joining PHSI too (£16), they seem to have a 1951 Fasti edition available to members (I'm not one) +  the 1982 History of Congregations, but mostly as they indicate might hold additional biographical information. Only going by the website, you probably have better knowledge. 

"Of particular interest is the large amount of biographical data available on Irish Presbyterian ministers. While most of this information can be accessed in the printed ‘Fasti’ up to 1910 (a record of the career of ministers) there is additional information held in the manuscript and card index versions and only available in the Society’s library and archive."
https://presbyterianhistoryireland.com/collections/archives/
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 24 June 25 17:53 BST (UK)
The Presbyterian Historical Society is excellent. As in any institution some staff are more helpful than others although I haven't been there in quite a while.

Another relative- has this one been mentioned yet?
Banner of Ulster [Belfast], 18 Apr.1848: ... the Presbyterian Church, Cladymore, the Rev. Andrew Marshall, Mr. John Graham, Knngh[?], to Miss Grizella Hendrin, Cladymore, and niece to the Rev. Samuel Hendrin. Middletown.
Couldn't find marriage under bride's name (even with searching gri* hen* 1848) but her name is indexed as Flendrin  ::)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09341/5382052.pdf
Her father William Hendrin, farmer.
Title: Re: Looking for more info - Samuel Hendren
Post by: Jon_ni on Tuesday 24 June 25 18:25 BST (UK)
GRONI have that one right Hendrin actually.